Gaano katagal (average yrs..) for natty to achieve their goal?

pacoy1002pacoy1002 Posts: 538
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Am reffering to real serious gym goers. (nutrition, supps etc.......etc...).
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  • Mighty_OakMighty_Oak Posts: 3,940
    Difficult to answer for me since I haven't achieved my goal yet.
  • pacoy1002pacoy1002 Posts: 538
    hahaha boss might obviously, Phil heath type ang goal mo eh hahaha......

    well calculated guess lang. kahit di eksakto para lang may idea ang iba.
  • Mighty_OakMighty_Oak Posts: 3,940
    How I wish ma reach ko yung ganung physique in a natty state! haha

    Pero I started lifting seriously again about 3yrs ago and that length of time enabled me to achieve my current physique (na puro tubig pa at taba).
  • pacoy1002pacoy1002 Posts: 538
    magandang topic din para sa iba na 2 or 3 yrs na sa buhatan kung minsan dahil konti ang gains tinatamad ng ituloy, na pakiramdam nila walang mapapala sayang naman ang panahong pinaghirapan nila.

    might, naitanong ko na to kay ds, but i want your opinion also, lately dahil sa progressive wo sobra ang DOMS ko so next day wo kahit ibang bodyparts titirahin ko parang nakakaasiwa yong sakit ng katawan ano bang maipapayo mo sir?
  • Mighty_OakMighty_Oak Posts: 3,940
    Kapag ganyan kasi ako Sir pag mabagal ang recovery I increase my calories. Tapos if it's my scheduled training day, I still train other body parts pero short but intense workout. I just hear what my body is telling me may times kasi kahit na pagod ka pa eh sige pa din which could lead to possible injuries and di na beneficial to you.

    At the end of the day iba iba pa din talaga ang response ng katawan natin sa pag ensayo natin.
  • pacoy1002pacoy1002 Posts: 538
    salamat might, notice ko kasi mga 2 wks na, 4 day split kasi ako tuloy tuloy ang doms ko pero wala pa rin akong tigil kaya sa 2 wks na to araw araw na sakit ng katawan hehehe.....adict adict na sa sakit pero masama rin ata.

    at might yon palang PL form sa bench press nakita kay Dave Tate how effective ba yon sa hypertrophy kasi i was shock yong 5- 6 reps ko nakaya ko ng 8 sa form niya.
  • Mighty_OakMighty_Oak Posts: 3,940
    PL form takes away some tension on the chest since it's the tri's that does most of the work.

    Pwede naman same form pero medyo flared lang ng konti yung elbows to hit the chest more.
  • pacoy1002pacoy1002 Posts: 538
    so might if you do it for strenght but more reps how will it benefits you when you go back to the normal bb form? sensya na tol tingin ko ikaw ang authority sa ganito kasi nag powerlift ka dati.
  • Mighty_OakMighty_Oak Posts: 3,940
    You'll definitely benefit a lot from it. Looking back, I don't think I would gain the same size if I didn't embark on a strength training program first.

    Yan na kasi talaga ang training philosophy ko, build some decent strength before you trouble yourself with how you look. Saka imposibleng di gumanda ang built mo if di ka nakakabuhat ng mabigat at iwas injury pa.
  • daltonkamotedaltonkamote Posts: 3,629
    sa akin manong. happy ako sa gains ko, achieved it for 1yr, started 2011 april, im not saying im big and shredded, pero sa gains ko im ok with that, but!!! gusto ko talagang malake na shredded ahhaha!
  • DregPittDregPitt Posts: 987
    Mighty_Oak wrote:
    You'll definitely benefit a lot from it. Looking back I don't think I would gain same size if I didn't embark on a strength training program first.

    Yan na kasi talaga ang training philosophy ko build some decent strength before you trouble youreself with how you look. Saka imposibleng di gumanda ang built mo if di ka nakakabuhat ng mabigat at iwas injury pa.

    yun din sir ang naiisip ko. for example. ung goal kong physique is kay "bodybuilder X"
    kailangan maabot ko muna ung lifting stats niya bago ko maabot ung physique na katulad sa kanya. siguro kung steady ang rate ng progression mo sa pagdagdag ng poundage sa lifts. macocompute mo yung time needed to achieve it.

    kunyari ang si "Bodybuilder A" goal ko na physique is 300lbs/10reps ang lifting stats sa FlatBP.
    tapos akong nangangarap na 140lbs/10reps ang kaya palang. at per month i can increase to 5lbs sa poundage.

    (Goal) (Current) (Remaining)
    300 lbs - 140lbs = 160lbs
    Assuming 5lbs/month increase in poundage
    160/5= 32 months = 2years and 8 months pa ang kailangan ko.

    Theory ko lang yan sir. hehe. mahirap din kasi maging ganun ka accurate kasi madami pang factors involve like nutrition,genes,supps etc.
  • pacoy1002pacoy1002 Posts: 538
    @dalt, kita naman ang progress mo, yong shredded sa height mo 5'10 ba? pag 8-10 bf% ka at 200 lbs wow thats humongously monster, hirap lang maintain iwas ka na sa lechon hahaha.

    @dregg, well i agree on what you're saying, but genes sort of, pero sakin wala yang genes genes excuse lang yan. hard work.

    so my wild guess will be 8-10 yrs for natty to be around 90% of their goal. when i say dream am talking about the likes of Jim cordova, Philip ricardo. you guys might not agree w/ me but just my take on these.
  • milksworthmilksworth Posts: 3,130
    probably what sir pacoy said, 8-10 years for your full potential. but our body really works wonder. sometimes habang tumatagal dun pa lang lumalabas yung mga extras sa katawan natin. so beyond 10 years mas malalaman kung na hit na nga ba talaga ang wall of limits. again this is also my personal opinion.
  • pacoy1002pacoy1002 Posts: 538
    This lifestyle is not for the weak of hearts. not for the weekend warriors. tell me guys can u keep up w/ it? like milk is saying 10 yrs and beyond. am old but am into it. . very honest opinion Milk.
  • milksworthmilksworth Posts: 3,130
    sir pac, hindi ko nga namalayan na 6 years na pala nakaraan since nag balik loob ako sa pag bubuhat ng bakal eh. kung hindi mo bibilangin ang araw na nag pupunta ka sa gym hindi mo din mamamalayan na nandun ka na sa gusto mong maabot or your goal. ang problema lan kasi talaga ng mga bago sa larangan na ito ay yung pag wala silang nakikitang changes in a small span of time pinang hihinaan na ng loob at sumusuko na. dahil na rin ito sa mga mailing turo turo sa mga local gyms like, "sige 3 months lang yan gaganda na katawan mo" after 3 moths walang changes pano buhat lang ng buhat walang proper nutrition at rest. ang hindi alam ng karamihan hindi ganun ka daling magpa ganda at magapa laki ng katawan!
  • acidoacido Posts: 336
    Ako since nag start ako mga around jan 150 naging mga 164 na ngayon hehe, dati pa ako lurker sa pbb kelan lang ako nagka lakas ng loob mag post talaga ^^ nanliliit ako compared sa iba eh hehe. Pero pagdating sa commitment. Dahan dahan ako nag iinvest sa necessities tulad ng mga plato bars dumbells at power rack. Yung machines madami naman sa mga bakal gym dito sa amin pag kailangan ko talaga . Pang long term commitment toh. Im willing to give up muaythai din para lang lumapad hehe. Isguro switch to boxing nalang pang tone di kasing demanding. Hopefully bago magsi tandaan mga anak ko ma reach ko yung potential ng katawan ko para pag may manliligaw na medyo matakot naman hahahaha.
  • BraSoBraSo Posts: 785
    eto based sa experience ko lang nung natty pa ako ha...

    i took me 2 years para ma reach yung goal ko to compete sa stage. 23yrs old started with 145lbs maybe 12%bf, tapos nag bulk up to 172lbs.. competition weight was 155lbs with maybe less than 8% BF. Wala kaming basehan nun (calipers, bio impedance, etc) kaya sa ipit nang balat at sa mga ugat, sa pag litaw nang panga at muscle striations lang kami nakakapag sabi na mababa ang BF namin.

    Dun sa 2 years na yun, consistency, training periodization, meals at supplement na prolab amino acid at eas protein shake lang.

    I was able to reach my goal in 2 yrs time to bulk and cut and be on stage.. kaso na frustrate lang ako kase kargado sila kaya kahit pareho kami nang timbang, angat na angat yung katawan nila.

    Halos ganun din yung mga clients nko na ang goal is to add 20lbs mass with less BF at nakikinig at may disiplina... almost 2 years din na bunuan sa gym at paghanap nang tamang diet. Dun sa mga genetically gifted na clients ko, in 1.5yrs time naabot na nila goal nila..

    problem is.. pag malapit na nila ma abot yung goal nila, bigla nagbabago nang goal.

    sa weightloss naman, average of about 1.5yrs to drop about 20-30lbs weight and drop 5-10% BF.

    note: age of clients between 23-28 yrs old, those more than 30yrs old. mas matagal ang results.

    I speak for myself and sa experience ko and not to start a debate kung meron ba talagang specific trimeframe (kase parang wala naman, depende sa disciplina nang kada individual).
  • miguelmiguel Posts: 895
    milksworth wrote:
    sir pac, hindi ko nga namalayan na 6 years na pala nakaraan since nag balik loob ako sa pag bubuhat ng bakal eh. kung hindi mo bibilangin ang araw na nag pupunta ka sa gym hindi mo din mamamalayan na nandun ka na sa gusto mong maabot or your goal. ang problema lan kasi talaga ng mga bago sa larangan na ito ay yung pag wala silang nakikitang changes in a small span of time pinang hihinaan na ng loob at sumusuko na. dahil na rin ito sa mga mailing turo turo sa mga local gyms like, "sige 3 months lang yan gaganda na katawan mo" after 3 moths walang changes pano buhat lang ng buhat walang proper nutrition at rest. ang hindi alam ng karamihan hindi ganun ka daling magpa ganda at magapa laki ng katawan!

    siguro mga october ko lang nalaman itong fact na to. buti naalang napadpad ako dito at nalaman ko. akala ko kasi dati pag nagbuhat ka na ng mabigat, mga 3 months may resulta na agad. yun pala dapat may kasamang proper nutrition at rest. weeeew buti nalang alam ko na yun, aminin na natin kasi andaming nagbubuhat ngayon na hindi alam to.
  • jcumali008jcumali008 Posts: 1,090
    miguel wrote:
    milksworth wrote:
    sir pac, hindi ko nga namalayan na 6 years na pala nakaraan since nag balik loob ako sa pag bubuhat ng bakal eh. kung hindi mo bibilangin ang araw na nag pupunta ka sa gym hindi mo din mamamalayan na nandun ka na sa gusto mong maabot or your goal. ang problema lan kasi talaga ng mga bago sa larangan na ito ay yung pag wala silang nakikitang changes in a small span of time pinang hihinaan na ng loob at sumusuko na. dahil na rin ito sa mga mailing turo turo sa mga local gyms like, "sige 3 months lang yan gaganda na katawan mo" after 3 moths walang changes pano buhat lang ng buhat walang proper nutrition at rest. ang hindi alam ng karamihan hindi ganun ka daling magpa ganda at magapa laki ng katawan!

    siguro mga october ko lang nalaman itong fact na to. buti naalang napadpad ako dito at nalaman ko. akala ko kasi dati pag nagbuhat ka na ng mabigat, mga 3 months may resulta na agad. yun pala dapat may kasamang proper nutrition at rest. weeeew buti nalang alam ko na yun, aminin na natin kasi andaming nagbubuhat ngayon na hindi alam to.

    sir miguel, marereach din naten yung goals naten and makakapagpost din tayo dito kung ilang year naten naabot yung goal na yun.. additional motivation itong thread na to..
  • miguelmiguel Posts: 895
    ^oo papsi!! maaabot din natin! :sport:
  • DSmallDivideDSmallDivide Posts: 4,565
    milksworth wrote:
    sir pac, hindi ko nga namalayan na 6 years na pala nakaraan since nag balik loob ako sa pag bubuhat ng bakal eh. kung hindi mo bibilangin ang araw na nag pupunta ka sa gym hindi mo din mamamalayan na nandun ka na sa gusto mong maabot or your goal. ang problema lan kasi talaga ng mga bago sa larangan na ito ay yung pag wala silang nakikitang changes in a small span of time pinang hihinaan na ng loob at sumusuko na. dahil na rin ito sa mga mailing turo turo sa mga local gyms like, "sige 3 months lang yan gaganda na katawan mo" after 3 moths walang changes pano buhat lang ng buhat walang proper nutrition at rest. ang hindi alam ng karamihan hindi ganun ka daling magpa ganda at magapa laki ng katawan!

    kasalanan din kasi ng mga fitness mags majority ito at ung mga products na puro lang pangako for "fast results". kaya yung kawawang fitness hopeful pag walang nakitang nangyari, they normally deem working out as "pointless". worst case than quiting i sometimes they bash/discourage other fitness hopefuls since thing didn't workout too well for them (this somewhat ticks me off) hahaha biglang napa rant eh.

    ako? no idea kung gaano katagal aabutin yung goal ko basta ang alam ko darating ako dun balang araw i just need to more consistent and attentive sa mga small changes sa physique and strength ko overall to know if im doing something right or not.

    Nice inputs from Koya braso, milks, master mighty, and dalts. Buti natanong mo din ito sir pacs :)
  • pacoy1002pacoy1002 Posts: 538
    @Jc & Miguel, am sure you guys will reach your goal kung yon talaga ang gusto niyo.

    @sir Braso, I totally agree w/ what your saying tol. Iba iba naman din ang goal ng bawat isa. Iba ibang klase ng pangangatawan ang gustong gayahin. modelo, BB na huge and shredded etc.... so i guess ang time frame di pare-pareho . Am not here to question anyones ability or sincerity on their BB goal kaya sana mga opinion lang walang debate hahaha.....

    @ds, like i was pointing out kung mga top notch natty BB ang goal natin medyo may katagalan, kung di naman ganon ang goal kundi pa=pogi lang para sa chicks huwag masyadong mag problema medyo madali lang yon,di na kailangan ng mamahaling supps, yong pambili ng supps ipang date nalang don sa chick di ba? LOL......

    Seriously lets be honest w/ ourselves. Lets set a realistic goal. Am sure you have other goals in life also to attend to.
  • daltonkamotedaltonkamote Posts: 3,629
    realistic goal, im not gona compete or anything, satisfied nako as long lumalake ako, lumalakas padin ako at healthy at the same time, parang nawawala nasa isip ko ung cutting like para bumaba bf% ko para mag ka abs, or maging shreded as fuck, sa ktawan ko mahirap ma attain yan without the help of you know.... lol. also i have very serious fucked up genes, pero chinachallenge ko padin ang genes ko, so as of now, long term goal ko to, hanggang maaubtan nako ng mga anak ko na nag ggym nadn sila, lolz!
  • DSmallDivideDSmallDivide Posts: 4,565
    sa akin ang goals ko ay tatlo:

    1.Long term - Overall functionality and strength and squat a thousand pounds till i "kick the bucket".
    2. Mid-term goal - Become as muscular as i can (reach the full potential of my body as natty) before i "convert" LOL!
    3. Short term goal - Change my physique than what it's currently is.

    Sabi ni Matt Kroc when setting goals, you'll have to work on your long term goal first backwards then the completion of your other goals will just fall intoplace w/ out you even sometimes noticing. in short "see through things in a bigger picture and further ahead so that you'll always have something to look forward to"

    :)
  • pacoy1002pacoy1002 Posts: 538
    @dalts, tama ka sa diskarte mo, am not an expert on BB, common sense lang ako. internet, mags well makakakuha ka ng idea but not necessarily akma sa yo. I varied my routines w/ one i see fit for my strenght, gains etc. i admit my testo level is low compared to you guys, but i always push myself over my limit (in a careful manner). pasintabi lang mga tol ako kasi prangka lang, am not the kind of person na ill say you're nice kahit hindi. am old and i dont live in a fantasy world anymore gya nong bata pa. I'd welcome constructive criticism and i put that to work for me. Ikaw you have the right to say i did my job you have pictures to back it up. keep it up balong.

    @ds, i agree w/ matt also, coz we have a very long years to live on this earth, (am talking in general) . di lang dahil malapit na ang summer hahaha kaya kailangan ko ng machong katawan 8 packs hahaha. problema lang kasi minsan sa sobrang taas ng goal ng iba sa konting panahon ang alam e kaya don na nasisira ang diskarte give up kaagad.
  • daltonkamotedaltonkamote Posts: 3,629
    napaka strict kase pag natty, dagdag mo pa uri ng katawan at genes mo, strict sa pag kain,sa pahinga sa workout, may mabilis makarecover may mabagal, iba iba, kaya dapat, pag aaralan din ang katawan kung saan ba to mag rereact, at kung saan babagsak, inggit na inggit nga ako sa mga karamihan na natty na kaunting tulak hila talon lang eh ganda na ng hubog, hahahaha!
  • DSmallDivideDSmallDivide Posts: 4,565
    Totally agree w/ you sir pacs on setting goal on a realistic level. though not to contradict sir pacs pra sa aking opinyon lang naman ha there is nothing wrong w/ setting a high goal kasi sure it maybe impossible but at least if ever you would never really get there you would have come far/achieved enough than any average man in short you've become part of a group of "awesome" peeps. somehow that would also help you give motivation for your entire journey.

    and then again yun lang ang masaklap madalas sa mga very eager hopefuls eh apart from setting "unrealistic" goals at masyado nagmamadali sa progress is when they fail they give up entirely. Hindi nila minsan na nakikita after failing there will always be "try again" na kasunod. That's what i call tenacity at malupit mag overcome ng adversity.
  • pacoy1002pacoy1002 Posts: 538
    wala kang dapat kainggitan balong ganda ng progress mo at matataas na ang lifting stats mo in a year lang. whatever you're doing right now is on the right track.
    DSmallDivide wrote:
    Totally agree w/ you sir pacs on setting goal on a realistic level. though not to contradict sir pacs pra sa aking opinyon lang naman ha there is nothing wrong w/ setting a high goal kasi sure it maybe impossible but at least if ever you would never really get there you would have come far/achieved enough than any average man in short you've become part of a group of "awesome" peeps. somehow that would also help you give motivation for your entire journey.

    and then again yun lang ang masaklap madalas sa mga very eager hopefuls eh apart from setting "unrealistic" goals at masyado nagmamadali sa progress is when they fail they give up entirely. Hindi nila minsan na nakikita after failing there will always be "try again" na kasunod. That's what i call tenacity at malupit mag overcome ng adversity.

    am w/ you tol sa mataas na goal, thats what i've been doin, sample ko lang sa work yong promotion ko sa senior level 3 eh laging sablay dahil sa ka competensiya kong mga caucasian lam mo na, alam ko namang mas magaling tayong mga pinoy at hardworker, dahil puti ang kalaban puti rin ang director, pero am not giving up hanngang sa mag retire ako in about 6 yrs hahabulin ko yong level 3, sabi mo nga tenacity, it applies to everything.
  • bardagulbardagul Posts: 658
    never competed, but i did achieved my ideal body composition before.. and it took me about 3.5 years. i always tell myself "di naman ako tumaba nang ganito nang 1 taon lang.. natural lang sigurong paghirapan ko din tanggalin to.." :)
    daltonkamote wrote:
    napaka strict kase pag natty, dagdag mo pa uri ng katawan at genes mo, strict sa pag kain,sa pahinga sa workout, may mabilis makarecover may mabagal, iba iba, kaya dapat, pag aaralan din ang katawan kung saan ba to mag rereact, at kung saan babagsak, inggit na inggit nga ako sa mga karamihan na natty na kaunting tulak hila talon lang eh ganda na ng hubog, hahahaha!

    i hear ya bro.. genetics ksi. sa totoo lang inggit ako sa mga ecto, ksi they burn what they eat.. ako i store what i eat.. langya hoarder genes toh! :arghh:
  • pacoy1002pacoy1002 Posts: 538
    bardagul wrote:
    never competed, but i did achieved my ideal body composition before.. and it took me about 3.5 years. i always tell myself "di naman ako tumaba nang ganito nang 1 taon lang.. natural lang sigurong paghirapan ko din tanggalin to.." :)
    daltonkamote wrote:
    napaka strict kase pag natty, dagdag mo pa uri ng katawan at genes mo, strict sa pag kain,sa pahinga sa workout, may mabilis makarecover may mabagal, iba iba, kaya dapat, pag aaralan din ang katawan kung saan ba to mag rereact, at kung saan babagsak, inggit na inggit nga ako sa mga karamihan na natty na kaunting tulak hila talon lang eh ganda na ng hubog, hahahaha!

    i hear ya bro.. genetics ksi. sa totoo lang inggit ako sa mga ecto, ksi they burn what they eat.. ako i store what i eat.. langya hoarder genes toh! :arghh:

    tama ka rin bards, gaya ko mga 30 yrs akong kain ng kain ng lechon kaya na lechon ako sa hospital hahaha......sarap kasi hahaha.....
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