Fight Night! (The Boxing and MMA thread)

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  • DonzJYEDonzJYE Posts: 173
    awts.... may lumalabas nanaman balita.... "scripted" naman ngaun, first major rounds, dominating si pacman, tapos nung mga huli rounds na, style pagud paguran na, magpapatalo na, para kunwari nakaka points na si bradley?
    impossible daw hndi maging aggresibo kahit sa huling rounds si pacman, hndi daw ganyan ang pacman na kilala nila...
    awts, wag naman sana hehehe...
  • ProlevelzProlevelz Posts: 1,162
    siguro nga........ daming mga script e.........
  • harleyyyharleyyy Posts: 211
    and that is why I was on Ariza's side when he was exposing Arum. pupusta ako si Arum nagpakana nung 'drama' sa camp ni pac kasi ineexpose siya ni Ariza. haha. D.o.m talaga yan si Arum, kumita yung kaibigan ko dati ng 7k dun sa pac-clottey fight, family friend sila ng isa sa mga tao sa camp ni pac, sabi nila pumusta daw kay pac, binayaran na daw si clottey na wag lumaban. haha. asan na si clottey ngayon? pinatahimik na ni Arum. hahaha.
  • Mighty_OakMighty_Oak Posts: 3,940
    That's the ugly side of sports in the US. Kung ang NBA nga nako-control pa ang outcome ng games because of betting odds boxing pa kaya? ANo na nangyari dun sa mga NBA refs na nag squeal regarding game fixing? Nawala ng parang bula.

    Kaya rin siguro di matuloy tuloy ang Pac - FMJ fight kasi there's not much money to be made by the group that controls sports gambling. Sa pagpili pa lang ng underdog sa kanilang dalawa eh mahirap na tapos kung sino man ang underdog eh hindi significant ang odds dun sa fighter na yun. Baka malaki na ang +$100 definitely not worth it.
  • StannisStannis Posts: 1,377
    Yun din ang pangit sa boxing, walang matinong boxing association, sobrang dami. Tapos opinion based ang pagjudge.


    Kaya top sport na sinusubaybayan ko ngayon eh football, FIFA, UEFA, English Premier League.
  • Mighty_OakMighty_Oak Posts: 3,940
    Sa MMA din naman same way of judging parang mas mahirap pa nga pero bihira yung mababalitaan mo na naging unfair yung decision kaya tuloy nasapawan nila yung boxing.

    Basta ako WSM trip na trip ko panoorin siguradong walang dayaan! hahaha
  • Noobie12Noobie12 Posts: 648
    Bob Arum refuses Pacquiao-Bradley rematch, wants investigation into scoring controversy

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--pacquiao-bradley-arum-controvery-investigation-judge-duane-ford-.html
  • StannisStannis Posts: 1,377
    Di na ako naniniwala sa boxing haha. Hintay na lang ako ng Real Steel!! Haha
  • monching11monching11 Posts: 7,273
    @noobie

    front lang yan, eh isa sa me pakana yang matandang yan eh.
  • Mighty_OakMighty_Oak Posts: 3,940
    Magaling gumawa ng drama yan si Arum! Dapat director ng teleserye yan!
  • Noobie12Noobie12 Posts: 648
    Nakakaloko lang tong judge na to - "If this were 'American Idol', without a doubt, Manny Pacquiao would have won,"
  • harleyyyharleyyy Posts: 211
    hintayin ko nalang laban ni Donaire, atleast dun mataas chance na ma-knockout niya yung kalaban, unless his opponent pulls a clottey, just like what Vasquez did after a few rounds of trying to exchange with Donaire. haha.
  • monching11monching11 Posts: 7,273
    taena ikumpara ba naman ang boxing sa american idol?

    pacman - asian
    bradley - black
    ford - black
    ross - black
    roth - white
    referee- black

    guess who wins!?
  • harleyyyharleyyy Posts: 211
    either Arum rigged it or.. na-mafia sila? i've been seeing some articles lately that mentions somewhat of a huge influx of betting wages where put on Bradley winning a decision just hours before the fight, making it a 4-1 odd, rather than 5-1.. or even 3-1. either way, i'm done with this issue.

    patiently waiting for the next ufc card.. :-D
  • StannisStannis Posts: 1,377
    Maayos lang ang boxing kung last man standing! hahaha
  • Mighty_OakMighty_Oak Posts: 3,940
    Sana nga gaya nung dati panahon nila Sugar Ray, sabi nga nya "During our time Champions fight Champions".

    Ngayon, it's all about the money baby!
  • monching11monching11 Posts: 7,273
    sa MMA dami din poor decisions, from what I remember:

    Couture vs our very own "The Truth" vera
    Shogun vs Rua 1
    Grifiin vs Rampage 1
  • Mighty_OakMighty_Oak Posts: 3,940
    ^Pero dami kasing gray area sa MMA kaya I would give them the benefit of the doubt. Di gaya sa boxing na talagang suntok lang pagbabasihan mahihirapan pa mag score mga judges???
  • harleyyyharleyyy Posts: 211
    monching11 wrote:
    sa MMA dami din poor decisions, from what I remember:

    Couture vs our very own "The Truth" vera
    Shogun vs Rua 1
    Grifiin vs Rampage 1

    Shogun vs Machida perhaps? :P

    well, speaking of Machida, Rampage-Machida decision was controversial too, parang nung Condit-Diaz lang, Aggression vs Striking.
  • StannisStannis Posts: 1,377
    Siguro shady ang mga decision sa MMA dahil masyadong maraming variables. Lalo na kung magkaiba yung discipline ng magkalaban at parehas may magagandang striking at ground game ang isang match.

    Ito ang nahanap ko kay google:
    Judging Criteria
    1. Judges are required to determine the winner of a bout that goes to it's full time limit based upon the
    following criteria:
    -Clean Strikes
    -Effective Grappling
    -Octagon Control
    -Effective Aggressiveness

    F. Clean Strikes
    1. The fighter who is landing both effective and efficient clean strikes.
    2. There are two ways of measuring strikes:
    -the total number of clean strikes landed (more efficient)
    -the total number of heavy strikes landed (more effective)

    G. The heavier striker who lands with efficiency, deserves more credit from the Judges than total
    number landed.
    1. If the striking power between the fighters was equal, then the total number landed would be used as the
    criteria.
    2. The total number of strikes landed, should be of sufficient quantity favoring a fighter, to earn a
    winning round.

    H. Strikes thrown from the top position of the guard, are generally heavier and more effective than
    those thrown from the back.
    1. Thus a Judge shall recognize that effective strikes thrown from the top guard position are of "higher quality",
    than thrown from the bottom.
    2. The Judge shall recognize that this is not always the case.
    However, the vast majority of fighters prefer the top guard position to strike from. This is a strong
    indication of positional dominance for striking.

    I. Effective Grappling
    1. The Judge shall recognize the value of both the clean takedown and active guard position.
    2. The Judge shall recognize that a fighter who is able to cleanly takedown his opponent, is effectively
    grappling.
    3. A Judge shall recognize that a fighter on his back in an active guard position, can effectively grapple,
    through execution of repeated threatening attempts at submission and reversal resulting in continuous
    defense from the top fighter.
    4. A Judge shall recognize that a fighter who maneuvers from guard to mount is effectively grappling.
    5. A Judge shall recognize that the guard position alone shall be scored neutral or even, if none of the
    preceding situations were met.(items 2-4)
    6. A Judge shall recognize that if the fighters remain in guard the majority of a round with neither
    fighter having an edge in clean striking or effective grappling, (items 2-4), the fighter who scored
    the clean takedown deserves the round.
    7. A clean reversal is equal to a clean takedown in effective grappling

    J. Octagon Control
    1. The fighter who is dictating the pace, place and position of the fight.
    2. A striker who fends off a grappler's takedown attempt to remain standing and effectively strike is
    octagon control.
    3. A grappler who can takedown an effective standing striker to ground fight is octagon control.
    4. The fighter on the ground who creates submission, mount or clean striking opportunities

    K. Effective Aggressiveness
    1. This simply means who is moving forward and finding success.(scoring)
    2. Throwing a strike moving backwards is not as effective as a strike thrown moving forward.
    3. Throwing strikes and not landing is not effective aggressiveness.
    4. Moving forward and getting struck is not effective aggressiveness.
    5. Shooting takedowns and getting countered and fended off is not effective aggressiveness.


    Di ba ang dami, kaya mas mahirap husgahan ang MMA haha
  • monching11monching11 Posts: 7,273
    ewan ko, for me kasi ufc 1 pa lang sa wowow napapanuod ko na highschool pa lang ako kaya medyo matagal tagal nako nakakanuod at alam ko kung sino lamang unless super close ung laban.

    sa boxing naman kahit na suntok lang sa style naman nagkakatalo.
    @harley

    lol shogun vs dragon my bad!
  • StannisStannis Posts: 1,377
    UFC ano na ba ang susunod at sino magkalaban?UFC EB naman? Hahaha!

    Yung re-match ni Sonnen at Silva!
  • harleyyyharleyyy Posts: 211
    UFC 147 next, Wanderlei Silva vs Franklin.

    Sayang yung UFC 148, Silva-Sonnen chaka Faber-Cruz sana, sobrang excited pa naman ako. biglang na-injured si Cruz, tas na-move yung laban ni Faber sa ibang card. >_>
  • Mighty_OakMighty_Oak Posts: 3,940
    Mautak talaga tong si Arum, para nga naman hindi halatang isang teleserye in the making ang Pac vs. Bradley.


    http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/06/16/12/pacquiao-marquez-iv-gains-momentum
  • DonzJYEDonzJYE Posts: 173
    Mighty_Oak wrote:
    Mautak talaga tong si Arum, para nga naman hindi halatang isang teleserye in the making ang Pac vs. Bradley.


    http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/06/16/12/pacquiao-marquez-iv-gains-momentum

    hahaha ayan nga po ba sir mighty, $$$ mabilisan, in 6mos. malinaw hehehe!
  • Mighty_OakMighty_Oak Posts: 3,940
    Well at least yan naman eh mas competitive kesa kay Bradley at pag nanalo convincingly si Pac jan eh matatapos na din yung saga nila ni JMM.
  • StannisStannis Posts: 1,377
    UFC® 148: Silva vs Sonnen II
    July 8, lapit na!
  • Mighty_OakMighty_Oak Posts: 3,940
    ^Yep can't wait!!!
  • DonzJYEDonzJYE Posts: 173
    hmmmn... pag nagawa ulit ni sonnen yung ganun tactics at gameplan nung first match nla.. SYA na nga.. hahaha
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