Carbs, does this makes you fat?

A good read for IIFYM practitioners...


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Here's the link found at www.rippedbody.jp

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  • monching11monching11 Posts: 7,273
    Ung photo na yan pinost na ni yatez sa journal nya wiyh him being an Ice cream practitioner. We had discussed a bit pero hindi na natuloy.
  • YatezYatez Posts: 2,745
    Na post ko na to hehe
  • milksworthmilksworth Posts: 3,130
    that pic of mike mentzer is beautiful!
  • JettieJettie Posts: 3,763
    oo yatez kaso sa rippedbody.jp ko kasi nakita yan hehe nirepost ko lang since pareha tayo IIFYM why not share sa nutrition thread... Kaya para sa iba yung mga pagkain natin na kanin, oats, cakes, ice cream ( tho wala akong smuckers at reese at yung bigating peanut butter mo amp ) staple food

    hahah sabi nga ng lahat dito, rice is not our enemy, it's our fuckin' lazy azz and ego
  • daltonkamotedaltonkamote Posts: 3,629
    naku nakakataba yang kanin..... hikhikhik!
  • aloy0511aloy0511 Posts: 948
    @milk

    naalala ko ung prep ni kai, white rice days before the olympia.
  • JettieJettie Posts: 3,763
    It's just show na maraming na misinformed na gusto magpaliit ng frame/payat/weightloss/fatloss about eating the white rice Hehehe
  • badass_vinchbadass_vinch Posts: 4,471
    ^sinisi yung white rice, pero yung mantika sa adobo na sinasabaw nila sa kanin finger lickin' good pa habang kumakain (for hormonal functions daw)...??? :)
  • JettieJettie Posts: 3,763
    oo nga sir eh, tapos may mga kaibigan pa ko sa FB na, "i hate rice, diet muna..." biglang mamaya post ng JCO/Krispy kreme donuts LOL!

    O kaya walang rice tapos isang kahong alak naman hehehe..
  • badass_vinchbadass_vinch Posts: 4,471
    kahit IIFYM ka pa kung 200g carbs kunyari kelangan mo tapos pipili ka between rice and donuts... rice ka na lang. Pwede nga pasok sa macros mo yung carbs ng donut pero yung FAT nya hindi. Tanggapin na natin na hindi madali magbilang ng fat... dami sumasablay sa ganito. doble pa naman ang calories ng fat.
  • JettieJettie Posts: 3,763
    oo nga boss eh, be mindful talaga. Pag ako kakain ng mga ganyan kunwari ice cream, ibabalato ko talaga yung fat macros dun, tapos the rest tiis ganda sa grilled lang.
  • riddlerriddler Posts: 1,018
    Carbs alone is not really the problem per se, it's usually the amount of carbs we eat in relation to activity levels which usually causes the fat gain.

    One more thing, it's very easy to overeat carbs (and fat too) if you are not mindful with the things you put on your mouth.

    CARBS can make you fat, and so is PROTEIN and FAT, if taken on un-moderated amounts. Anything that is too much can make you fat.
  • aloy0511aloy0511 Posts: 948
    kahit IIFYM ka pa kung 200g carbs kunyari kelangan mo tapos pipili ka between rice and donuts... rice ka na lang. Pwede nga pasok sa macros mo yung carbs ng donut pero yung FAT nya hindi. Tanggapin na natin na hindi madali magbilang ng fat... dami sumasablay sa ganito. doble pa naman ang calories ng fat.


    good point! kaya naniniwala pa din ako sa clean eating. kasi maipag hihiwahiwalay mo ung macros mo throughout the whole day.
    pero sa panahon na may mga kasiyahan tulad ng mga party at kung ano ano pa, dun papasok ung sinasabi na IIFYM, ang naging problema kasi ng clean eating nadedeprive sila sa mga panahon na ganyan.
  • JeiowJeiow Posts: 6
    I actually did a zero to low carb diet - The Ketogenic Diet. It broke the old facts that we know about fats. Yung idea lang naman is to replace carbs with fats for energy. I'm still doing it and it still works. Went from weighing 232lbs (December 2012) to 169 lbs (October 2013). I've attached my photo. But I don't recommend this diet when bulking.

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  • YatezYatez Posts: 2,745
    ahhhhhh
  • New here, Makisali dudes.. Carbs or even fat dont make you fat as long as you dont exceed your calorie maintenance.Taking carbs is important for energy. And taking carbs for insulin spike to absorb minerals coming from proteins and other mineral.

    Ok lng tumaba if your after building mass and muscle. Bulking
  • -^^
    What he said.
  • allen101allen101 Posts: 5,102
    Hays... gusto ko na naman tuloy mag ice cream hahahaha!

    Magnum nga!
  • allen101allen101 Posts: 5,102
    Jettie wrote:
    oo yatez kaso sa rippedbody.jp ko kasi nakita yan hehe nirepost ko lang since pareha tayo IIFYM why not share sa nutrition thread... Kaya para sa iba yung mga pagkain natin na kanin, oats, cakes, ice cream ( tho wala akong smuckers at reese at yung bigating peanut butter mo amp ) staple food

    hahah sabi nga ng lahat dito, rice is not our enemy, it's our fuckin' lazy azz and ego
    Ang matagal ko ng tanong,
    Paano ba masasabing naka clean eating? Kapag ba 100% clean ang kinakaen? Like kay vinch ba na same food everyday? Or kahit paiba iba basta galing sa whole food? No processed, sweets,etc..?

    Paano din masasabing iifym?

    Kasi ako personally based sa mga pics ng pagkaen ni jettie I dont consider him as a iifym practitioner. Pumapasok lang iifym sa kanya paminsan minsan pag walang choice,ex. de lata.. Or occasional desserts (if any).

    Calling boss vinch para maliwanagan na ko haha.
  • JettieJettie Posts: 3,763
    IIFYM dahil yun nga, no choice but even so I'd still hit my macros despite of those food choices.. then I adjust si carbs and fat from it at papasukan ko ng ultimate PM7 para mameet ko protein requirement ko.

    Pero based sa foods ko 80% naka pasok sa macros ko.. I am always hitting my protein at 90% tapos the rest carbs and fat almost to so-so hit lang dahil mas nasanay ako sa laging ganung set up na for 1 year na may manok araw araw na walang kasawaan, may lasa o wala.

    Yun siguro ang nag nail ng gainz ko na consistent ang food set up ko.. pag payat yung carbs ko, nauuwi ako sa ice cream, hi-ro, choco tops o kahit anong carbs and fats ratio kahit basura na protina.
  • Iifym.. As long as it fits ur macros. Khit anung source pa ung kinukuha m. No matter what the food is. Protein is protein, carbs has slow twitch and fast twitch but still they are carbs, fat is fat. Sugar from sweets are still categories as carbs. I dont believe anymore on clean eating. There are just some food with higher fat and carbs kung saan mahirap i fit sa macro.
  • allen101allen101 Posts: 5,102
    @ Jet - yan nga ang tanong ko,minsan ka lang naman mag iifym, so,kahit ganun lang iifym practicioner na? Or 80/20? Clean/iifym?

    Kung medyo magulo tanong ko ignore niyo na lanv di naman mahalaga to, random thoughts lang. Lol.
  • JettieJettie Posts: 3,763
    para sakin kasi kung literal na ganun, mahirap din i maintain not unless napaka yaman mong tao. The reason I am repeating the same foods over and over again because of budget issues.

    I'd rather say I'm 50/50 IIFYM :
    1. I do not weigh my food literally, ball park counting baby
    2. Chicken boobs were my stable food + kahit anong nakalatag
    3. Pag nag fast food ako for sure I eat whatever the food as long as manok na niluto kesa bergers etc. not unless nalaman ko na uyng nutritional data's nun.

    Ang macros ko, at the end of the day iniisip ko kung pasok ba o hindi? Kung pasok , yeah kung hindi okay lang, la naman halaga yun..

    Basta ang mahalaga sakin lagi, If I don't train, no carbs, high fat, If I train, i need carbs and high fat.
  • allen101allen101 Posts: 5,102
    Antay natin sagot ni Vinch..
  • pogiO6pogiO6 Posts: 34
    May napanuod ako sa youtube, hindi daw alam ng katawan gagawin sa asukal kaya nagiging fats ito except post workout or maybe even breakfast. Ano sa palagay ninyo?
  • @ Allen - The Dirt on Clean Eating (wannabebig.com)
    http://alanaragon.com/articles

    Maguguluhan ka talaga dito brah, because everyone has their own version of "clean eating". Most also claim that they are IIFYM practioners, when the truth is they just dont know what the hell they are doing at for the sake lang na may maitawag sa diet nila, they say IT FITS THEIR MACROS. ask them for their macro breakdown... wala mabigay or magbibigay pero hindi tugma. hindi diet ang IIFYM, it's a dieting strategy for people who has a diet plan (commonly applied on cheat meals/cheat day). It's used as an alternative and not a way to indulge on delicious treats. kahit ano pang diet ang lumabas sa internet, it will always come down to adherence, decision making and commitment of the individual.

    Part of being a bodybuilder is dieting 24/7 regardless of the goal. We can all have our own eating beliefs and dieting strategies but in the end, the person who eats like a bodybuilder always stands out:)

    @ Jettie - sa araw araw na pagpost ng food mo.... nothing is the same, almost iba iba kinakain mo daily haha. TBH, i dont know how to compute your macros since calorie densed yung iba mong food at mixed up pa. but looking at them daily you're eating @ above maintenance :)

    @Jonrivs - nalito ka ata bro, "slow twitch and fast twitch"... They are types of muscle fibers hindi carbs. unless may na-miss ako :)
  • Pasawsaw lang rin sa topic. IIFYM rin ako pero I think being one doesn't limit to eating "dirty foods". Literal meaning lang ng IIFYM (if it fits your macros). So kahit ano pa ang diet na ginagawa mo, atkins, keto, "clean", etc., you're still counting your macros and you're still fitting in whatever food choices you prefer.

    Nagkaroon lang ng bad rep ang IIFYM kasi hindi masyado ineemphasize na besides macros, may kailangan pa tayong iba (eg. Fiber, micros). There are many ways to skin a cat. Follow what you think is right for you. After you have studied well about it tapos see for yourself.
  • YatezYatez Posts: 2,745
    Sakin iifym ka if you count and adhere to your macros consistently maski "dirty" o "clean" ang kinakain mo, may mga iifym kase dyan na eat all you can lang ang trip lol.
  • monching11monching11 Posts: 7,273
    Sa dami ng variations/interpretations blurred na ung meaning ng IIFYM.
  • JettieJettie Posts: 3,763
    @vinch

    yep, surplus ang habol ko sa Workout days even on a caloric deficit (cut ), pero dun sa rest days ko yun ang limitado. Maigi ng over estimate kesa under estimate sa workout days dahil kahit sobra ng konti o kumulang ng onti sa maintenance walang kaso basta over the week may mawawalang point o hindi aangat timbang ko dahil nasa 59.5-9 kg na lang ako, parang pag lumiit pa ko dyan ang panget na ng kakalabasan ko sa strength figures at sa muscle mass na meron ako kahit papaano ngayon.

    Kung makikita mo lagi ako nabili ng 5kg pataas na chicken breast boneless and skinless , hindi nawawala yun after workout ko, bonus na lang kung may dinagdag at kung ano meron sa 12pm ko okay lang..

    BTW, may sarili method ako na pag bilang na simplified, ayaw ko ng exact numbers dahil nahihilo ako dun at malamang hindi ko masundan ng tama yun. 100g = 20g protein, 150g rice = 100g carbs simple, I don't count 1g na sobra o point, dahil dun ko inumpisahan.

    Kung sino man dito na araw araw lahat ng kinakain or almost every meal they weight and count their macros as strict as day 1, good job. Ako as my job description at set up, sa una ko lang nagawa, namemorize ko kahit papaano and kugn ano yung tansya ko sa paningin ko eh di dun ako dahil na adhere ko at nagiging consistent ako.

    Newbie gains or not, i still continue whatever i am doing. IIFYM or not , who cares kung ano maisip ng iba, para sakni pag hindi ko magawa yung clean, mauuwi ako sa kung ano man meron sa mesa na nakahanda at yung nutri data nun kung galing sa google o myfitnesspal okay na ko.
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