binasa ko mga post dito. D ko alam may humor yung pm7 na fake daw haha.
pero naka 13 bags na ako yata ng PM7. Okay naman sya sakin.
ganun talaga ang pinoy, na aatract sa mga international na products.
kapag mura,cheap agad. pinoy yan e hahaha!
binasa ko mga post dito. D ko alam may humor yung pm7 na fake daw haha.
pero naka 13 bags na ako yata ng PM7. Okay naman sya sakin.
ganun talaga ang pinoy, na aatract sa mga international na products.
kapag mura,cheap agad. pinoy yan e hahaha!
Actually mas nakakaawa yung mindset na “wala pa naman nangyayari sa akin sa tagal na ginamit ko ito e so I therefore conclude na legit siya at haters lang yung mga kontra”. Hard solid facts (na non-existing until now) will always beat anecdotal evidence.
I mean just because di mo pa nararamdaman yung epekto sa katawan mo nang pollution, o pag kain nang mga mauuling na pagkain o exposure sa fluoride, etc. doesn't mean na okay lang siya. At wala din masama na magduda o maging alisto sa binibili natin lalo na kung may sense naman yung mga sinasabi — in fact, dapat pa nga palakpakan natin yung mga ganung consumer kasi nage-effort talaga sila na mag-suri, hindi yung basta bili lang rather than tawanan at turiing timang.
Ganito lang naman yan: kung yung sa America nga madami protein powder na lumalabas na di accurate yung protein content or ingredients (i.e. American Pure Whey, Gaspari Nutrition, Mutant Whey) despite na sandamakmak ang certifications, pano pa kaya etong mysterious na PM7 na halos walang background at super bagsak presyo na dinadaan lang sa endorsements? Common sense lang naman na mag-duda di ba?
Okay sige sabihin na natin na "WALA NAMAN PUMIPILIT SAYO E HURRR" pero di niyan sinasagot yung tanong ni consumer — you're just telling us na wag inumin, di ba?
binasa ko mga post dito. D ko alam may humor yung pm7 na fake daw haha.
pero naka 13 bags na ako yata ng PM7. Okay naman sya sakin.
ganun talaga ang pinoy, na aatract sa mga international na products.
kapag mura,cheap agad. pinoy yan e hahaha!
Actually mas nakakaawa yung mindset na “wala pa naman nangyayari sa akin sa tagal na ginamit ko ito e so I therefore conclude na legit siya at haters lang yung mga kontra”. Hard solid facts (na non-existing until now) will always beat anecdotal evidence.
I mean just because di mo pa nararamdaman yung epekto sa katawan mo nang pollution, o pag kain nang mga mauuling na pagkain o exposure sa fluoride, etc. doesn't mean na okay lang siya. At wala din masama na magduda o maging alisto sa binibili natin lalo na kung may sense naman yung mga sinasabi — in fact, dapat pa nga palakpakan natin yung mga ganung consumer kasi nage-effort talaga sila na mag-suri, hindi yung basta bili lang rather than tawanan at turiing timang.
Ganito lang naman yan: kung yung sa America nga madami protein powder na lumalabas na di accurate yung protein content or ingredients (i.e. American Pure Whey, Gaspari Nutrition, Mutant Whey) despite na sandamakmak ang certifications, pano pa kaya etong mysterious na PM7 na halos walang background at super bagsak presyo na dinadaan lang sa endorsements? Common sense lang naman na mag-duda di ba?
Okay sige sabihin na natin na "WALA NAMAN PUMIPILIT SAYO E HURRR" pero di niyan sinasagot yung tanong ni consumer — you're just telling us na wag inumin, di ba?
lack of advertisement and promotion yung pm7
pero alam ko na iimprove na sila ngayon
may bagong flavors, may spinosponsor na sila ngayon
pero nd ko alam bakit spinosponsor nila yung mga basketball players..
tagal ko naman to ginagamit 3-4 scoops ako nito araw2. PR every week, laki naman improvement sa katawan ko. improvement every year.
binasa ko mga post dito. D ko alam may humor yung pm7 na fake daw haha.
pero naka 13 bags na ako yata ng PM7. Okay naman sya sakin.
ganun talaga ang pinoy, na aatract sa mga international na products.
kapag mura,cheap agad. pinoy yan e hahaha!
Actually mas nakakaawa yung mindset na “wala pa naman nangyayari sa akin sa tagal na ginamit ko ito e so I therefore conclude na legit siya at haters lang yung mga kontra”. Hard solid facts (na non-existing until now) will always beat anecdotal evidence.
I mean just because di mo pa nararamdaman yung epekto sa katawan mo nang pollution, o pag kain nang mga mauuling na pagkain o exposure sa fluoride, etc. doesn't mean na okay lang siya. At wala din masama na magduda o maging alisto sa binibili natin lalo na kung may sense naman yung mga sinasabi — in fact, dapat pa nga palakpakan natin yung mga ganung consumer kasi nage-effort talaga sila na mag-suri, hindi yung basta bili lang rather than tawanan at turiing timang.
Ganito lang naman yan: kung yung sa America nga madami protein powder na lumalabas na di accurate yung protein content or ingredients (i.e. American Pure Whey, Gaspari Nutrition, Mutant Whey) despite na sandamakmak ang certifications, pano pa kaya etong mysterious na PM7 na halos walang background at super bagsak presyo na dinadaan lang sa endorsements? Common sense lang naman na mag-duda di ba?
Okay sige sabihin na natin na "WALA NAMAN PUMIPILIT SAYO E HURRR" pero di niyan sinasagot yung tanong ni consumer — you're just telling us na wag inumin, di ba?
lack of advertisement and promotion yung pm7
pero alam ko na iimprove na sila ngayon
may bagong flavors, may spinosponsor na sila ngayon
pero nd ko alam bakit spinosponsor nila yung mga basketball players..
tagal ko naman to ginagamit 3-4 scoops ako nito araw2. PR every week, laki naman improvement sa katawan ko. improvement every year.
Advertisement, sponsorship and endorsement deals doesn't prove na their product is exactly what they claim it to be; ibig sabihin lang nun may pera sila. Tignan mo yung Power Balance - ang dami nila sikat na endorsers may lease pa nga sila dati sa Arco Arena pero hoax yung bracelets nila.
Hindi rin batayan yung "gumana para sa akin" (a.k.a. anecdotal) kasi alam naman natin na hindi gagana ang whey kung di mo sasabayan nang tamang exercise at sapat na kain — kaso kahit walang whey basta nagbubuhat at kumakain, lalaki naman talaga katawan mo, di ba?
So instead na gumastos sila, why not maglabas sila nang cold hard facts like 3rd party testing? Isa sa BFAD at isang independent lab? "Walang pumipilit sayo bumili" is just poor business ethos.
Kasi kung ako PM7 hindi ako makukuntento sa current market ko. Madami dyan interesado sa PM7 dahil mura at maganda profile pero kailangan ko sila kumbinsihin to make the jump instead of patronizing yung mga overpriced na American counterparts, and the way to do that is to be transparent with my product. Kaso wala e. They're doing yung politician route na bumibili nang boto at mag-bank sa mga existing supporters rather than selling themselves through debates, track record atbp.
Ang problema sa karamihan e dinodown play nila yung hard work nila at inaattribute ang gains sa supplements. Maaaring yung pagganda ng katawan niyo e dahil lang sa tamang nutrisyon at pageehersisyo ng maayos. Personally, di ako magtatake ng PM7. Gaya nga ng sabi ng iba, hindi porke may endorsers e ibig sabihin legit ang product. Sinibukan ko mag research tungkol sa PM7 at nalaman ko na gawa to sa India. Ang kataka taka e kahit nga sa India hindi ito binebenta. Yung kumpanya din na gumawa ng PM7, kahit sa website nila hindi nakalagay ang produktong Promatrix 7. Kung negosyo ka at alam mong maganda ang produkto mo at kaya mong ibenta sa murang halaga, sigurado ako na ipagmamayabang mong gawa mo ito at malamang ay ibebenta mo rin sa ibang bansa at lugod na tatanggapin ng ibang bansa. Ang kataka taka sa produkto na ito e talagang wala kang malalaman na impormasyon na "solid". May mga sumubok na rin gumawa ng test. Kadalasan, yung protein shake kapag naiwan mo sa shaker mo at di mo nahugasan ay sobrang babaho ito dahil sa protein content. May sumubok na gawin ito sa PM7 at iniwan ang shaker na may laman at di hinugasan. Pagkacheck nya sa sumunod na araw, ganun na ganun pa rin ang amoy ng PM7. Isa pa, hindi mo maaaring haluin ang magandang protein powder sa mainit na tubig, may gumawa din nun at aba, parang Milo lang ang PM7. Kung tingin niyo nakakatipid kayo sa PM7 at maganda, good for you. Shinashare ko lang yung mga naresearch ko sa inyo.
Ang problema sa karamihan e dinodown play nila yung hard work nila at inaattribute ang gains sa supplements. Maaaring yung pagganda ng katawan niyo e dahil lang sa tamang nutrisyon at pageehersisyo ng maayos. Personally, di ako magtatake ng PM7. Gaya nga ng sabi ng iba, hindi porke may endorsers e ibig sabihin legit ang product. Sinibukan ko mag research tungkol sa PM7 at nalaman ko na gawa to sa India. Ang kataka taka e kahit nga sa India hindi ito binebenta. Yung kumpanya din na gumawa ng PM7, kahit sa website nila hindi nakalagay ang produktong Promatrix 7. Kung negosyo ka at alam mong maganda ang produkto mo at kaya mong ibenta sa murang halaga, sigurado ako na ipagmamayabang mong gawa mo ito at malamang ay ibebenta mo rin sa ibang bansa at lugod na tatanggapin ng ibang bansa. Ang kataka taka sa produkto na ito e talagang wala kang malalaman na impormasyon na "solid". May mga sumubok na rin gumawa ng test. Kadalasan, yung protein shake kapag naiwan mo sa shaker mo at di mo nahugasan ay sobrang babaho ito dahil sa protein content. May sumubok na gawin ito sa PM7 at iniwan ang shaker na may laman at di hinugasan. Pagkacheck nya sa sumunod na araw, ganun na ganun pa rin ang amoy ng PM7. Isa pa, hindi mo maaaring haluin ang magandang protein powder sa mainit na tubig, may gumawa din nun at aba, parang Milo lang ang PM7. Kung tingin niyo nakakatipid kayo sa PM7 at maganda, good for you. Shinashare ko lang yung mga naresearch ko sa inyo.
Hi sir!! maganda po yung opinyon nyung yan if hindi pa natalakay yan dito sa THREAD na ito.. nag backread na po ba kayo? ilang beses na po iyan natalakay ng mga masters dito if nag backread kayo dnyu na kelangan mag comment ng gnyan sabagay OPINION nyu yan
Hi sir!! maganda po yung opinyon nyung yan if hindi pa natalakay yan dito sa THREAD na ito.. [size=x-large]nag backread na po ba kayo? [/size]ilang beses na po iyan natalakay ng mga masters dito if nag backread kayo dnyu na kelangan mag comment ng gnyan sabagay OPINION nyu yan
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For some reason, nakakalimutan gawin to. Makapag comment lang ba? :banghead::banghead:
hehe ok. Pasensya na di ako nagback read. Masyado na kasing mahaba 88 pages na. Anyway, enjoy your PM7! Was just trying to voice out my opinions. Wasn't expecting this aggression and negative reactions. Oh well. Peace!
Ang problema sa karamihan e dinodown play nila yung hard work nila at inaattribute ang gains sa supplements. Maaaring yung pagganda ng katawan niyo e dahil lang sa tamang nutrisyon at pageehersisyo ng maayos. Personally, di ako magtatake ng PM7
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this is opinion
Sinibukan ko mag research tungkol sa PM7 at nalaman ko na gawa to sa India. Ang kataka taka e kahit nga sa India hindi ito binebenta. Yung kumpanya din na gumawa ng PM7, kahit sa website nila hindi nakalagay ang produktong Promatrix 7. Kung negosyo ka at alam mong maganda ang produkto mo at kaya mong ibenta sa murang halaga, sigurado ako na ipagmamayabang mong gawa mo ito at malamang ay ibebenta mo rin sa ibang bansa at lugod na tatanggapin ng ibang bansa. Ang kataka taka sa produkto na ito e talagang wala kang malalaman na impormasyon na "solid". May mga sumubok na rin gumawa ng test. Kadalasan, yung protein shake kapag naiwan mo sa shaker mo at di mo nahugasan ay sobrang babaho ito dahil sa protein content. May sumubok na gawin ito sa PM7 at iniwan ang shaker na may laman at di hinugasan. Pagkacheck nya sa sumunod na araw, ganun na ganun pa rin ang amoy ng PM7. Isa pa, hindi mo maaaring haluin ang magandang protein powder sa mainit na tubig, may gumawa din nun at aba, parang Milo lang ang PM7.
this is research
Wasn't expecting this aggression and negative reactions.
No one's aggressive, same as you, we are merely stating our opinion as well.
You based your opinion on PM7.
We based our opinion on your post.
Also, mas mabuti nang ma i correct habang maaga. For sure hahaba at hahaba na naman ang usapang to. ( for the benefit of future readers as well as yours )
Believe me. Sobrang baho ng pm7 pag Hindi nahugasan. Haha you told it yourself na Hindi ka gumamit ng pm7. And you're basing your opinion sa experience ng iba na negative, but doubting the endorsers and users who is positive. For me is, try it yourself first before giving opinion. Hehe
Familiar sakin yung pinost ni Ok1m. Actually, ako nag-post nun sa ibang site . Mejo hesitant lang akong magbigay ng input dito dahil majority ay okay naman ang review sa PM7. Pero since nabanggit na rin at may mga iba nang skeptical din sa product, may mga points sa sinabi ni Ok1m na gusto kong i-emphasize (Nasa last three paragraphs). [size=medium]Pero ayoko ng kaaway[/size] =(.
Anyway, two months ago, bumili ako ng PM7. Lactose intolerant ako, pero gusto kong i-test kung may effect ba yung probiotic supplement for lactose intolerance na iniinom ko rin (bacteria siya na nagproproduce nung enzyme na pang-digest ng lactose).
True enough, hindi ako nagka-diarrhea. In fact, naubos ko yung 2lb na pack nang walang digestive issues. Maraming possibilities: (1) majority ng whey sa PM7 ay isolate (2) walang whey concentrate sa PM7 as claimed in the packaging (3) gumana yung probiotic supps na ininom ko. So uminom ako ng usual na gatas. Boom! Mejo nasuka ako at after 2-3 hours, dumiretso ako agad sa banyo. Nabili ko sa CnC yung supp. Kung fake yun or what, ibang kuwento na yun. Pero yung kawalan ko ng diarrhea habang umiinom ng PM7, mejo hindi siya conclusive dahil sa maraming possibleng explanation. Add: Nakatry nako ng ON sa CnC at Impact dati. Nagkadiarrhea ako. I ended up giving my tub to a friend who also works out.
As to the smell, sa experience ko it never really stank. But it's possible that I may not have left my unclean shaker long enough.
Now, here's the thing. After having lost my faith in PM7, I bought a pack of pasteurized egg albumen powder to augment my protein intake (1 kilo for P900). I can really say that PM7 smells strongly of egg albumen. Could it be that PM7 consists mainly of egg albument? If it is, then it's not necessarily a bad thing. Anyway, you will need lots of cocoa or Milo to dissolve it without considerable foaming.
[size=medium]What made me think that PM7 is likely fake is this [/size]([size=medium]Feel free to verify or rebut this in anyway. Like most people here, gusto ko ring maliwanagan[/size]. I will just quote what I posted in Pex):
I searched the address in the packaging on Google Maps and true enough, the supposed PM7 manufacturer, VS Int'l, exists. Google Maps also gave the website of the company, www.vsinternational.co.in. There's no mention of PM7 anywhere in the site. Here's a list of their Health Care and Pharmaceutical products. I see drugs, lab masks, ultrasound machines, hospital furniture, etc. Whey protein would definitely be a misfit.
SUMMARY: VS Int'l, the Indian manufacturer of PM7 as indicated in the package, manufactures drugs, hospital supplies and equipment, not protein supplements. As to the PM7 website na lulubog lilitaw, madali lang gumawa nun. Isa pa, any imported product, ideally, should also include the name of its local distributor. What are the odds that VS Int'l forgot or intentionally did not include PM7 in the list of products they manufacture?
Anyway, I did further research to verify if PM7 is indeed sold in India. Mejo suspicious yung claim na it's made in India but exclusively sold in the Philippines. It doesn't make sense. I used google.co.in and set custom location to India. See: https://www.google.co.in/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Promatrix+7&tbs=ctr:countryIN&cr=countryIN. Some results link back to the Philippines. Others are about an IT company called Promatrix Solutions. A couple of sites sell Promatrix in India online (for example: http://www.definitenutrition.in/store/products/7-definite-egg-promatrix-egg-whey-1-kg-22-lbs-chocolate-flavor.html) but it looks like an entirely different product. There is, however, a company called VS Nutrition http://www.vsnutrition.in/productsearch.php, also based in India, that does sell supplements. Oh well, so baka ito yun. Baka related siya sa VS Int'l. Baka - nobody really knows. Ang hirap i-verify. Alas, I typed Promatrix on the search bar. Result: No such product found.
There, I did my homework. Overall, PM7 is really shady IMHO. Verifying if a product is legit is not supposed to be this difficult.
Kung hindi nyo gusto ang isang product wag nyo nalang gamitin. No need to verify if it's legit, fake, underdosed or whatever kung online sources lang naman. Lahat pwede dayain sa internet pati website at reviews, pati pics, test and testimonials. Try it and see for yourself, learn and move on
There's a bigger issue here. Manufacturers know there is a huge demand for supplements, and they are out to take advantage of it. The FDA, in fact, has a list of tested supplements (which doesn't include PM7), but even then government monitoring is still lax in general (perhaps they need our help ). As in anything - be it phones, real estate and whey protein, there will always be good and bad guys in the plethora of peddlers we encounter. It pays to be skeptical and wary, lest the bodybuilding community is reduced to a pack of gullible consumers. "Kung hindi nyo gusto ang isang product wag nyo nalang gamitin" - that's too simplistic an approach for something you'd spend money on and consume, and it doesn't really help us as a community as a whole. In any case whenever little known, every bit of information is helpful. And the exchange of information, is, I believe, the goal of this thread - in which case, I did my share. Mostly of bad news, unfortunately. Then again, it's not for me or for anyone here to show that PM7 is legit - the burden is on the manufacturer of PM7 itself.
Lastly, if the atmosphere in this thread is that of "hey, bro, most of us are clueless, here's what I know, here's a bit of info I can pitch in", any bad debate would not have ensued. Fortunately, I myself have moved on. And this, hopefully, is the last thing I have to say about PM7.
Walang kasi pakialam ang gobyerno sa narcissistic goals natin kaya who cares if we drink an inferior protein shake and dont build muscles. I already stopped taking whey protein for almost 3 months na ata but i still take supps which never fails to deliver (creatine, cobra and extra joss) I feel great! fuck all the money I spent for supplements for almost a decade. It took me years to learn. Ignorance is very expensive but worth all the sarifice if you prioritize hard work.
Kung hindi nyo gusto ang isang product wag nyo nalang gamitin. No need to verify if it's legit, fake, underdosed or whatever kung online sources lang naman. Lahat pwede dayain sa internet pati website at reviews, pati pics, test and testimonials. Try it and see for yourself, learn and move on
It's not an issue of "hindi gusto". Like I said in my earlier testimonial, it's the best tasting protein powder I've tried since Myofusion (coincidentally another whey protein that was under fire din for dubious content) tapos mura pa - what's not to like?
The burning question - which has yet to be answered 88 pages in afaik - is PM7 really what it claims to be? May 23g ba talaga siya nang protein? Talaga bang yung ingredients na nakasulat yung laman? Or if it truly is in fact, real?
You can't base it on results kasi alam naman natin that a protein powder won't work without proper exercise and diet - but since you can still grow WITHOUT supplements you cannot conclusively tell that it's the protein powder that's the source of your gains.
The only way to really tell if its legit is by running the powder itself through tests. Some are on the iffy side like yung hot water test, smell test but the best way is still through INDEPENDENT LAB TESTING. It's not fool proof since nakalusot Myofusion and Mutant Labs diyan for years but it still holds more weight than "LUMAKI MASELS KO PERSONALLY SUCK IT TROLLS!" and "MAY ENDORSERS!!"
Lastly, can we put an end to the "Kung ayaw nyo, wag nyo" retort? This is a thread that's intended to collate our experiences regarding the product; it doesn't have to be all rosey and positive. Besides, that statement is such a cop-out and skirts away from a totally valid and sensible question. Rather than being defensive and antagonistic (not saying you are - but most of the responses are), why not respond and offer a good response? We're all on the same page here in that we all want to like PM7 but there are lingering concerns talaga that need to be addressed.
Kung hindi nyo gusto ang isang product wag nyo nalang gamitin. No need to verify if it's legit, fake, underdosed or whatever kung online sources lang naman. Lahat pwede dayain sa internet pati website at reviews, pati pics, test and testimonials. Try it and see for yourself, learn and move on
It's not an issue of "hindi gusto". Like I said in my earlier testimonial, it's the best tasting protein powder I've tried since Myofusion (coincidentally another whey protein that was under fire din for dubious content) tapos mura pa - what's not to like?
The burning question - which has yet to be answered 88 pages in afaik - is PM7 really what it claims to be? May 23g ba talaga siya nang protein? Talaga bang yung ingredients na nakasulat yung laman? Or if it truly is in fact, real?
You can't base it on results kasi alam naman natin that a protein powder won't work without proper exercise and diet - but since you can still grow WITHOUT supplements you cannot conclusively tell that it's the protein powder that's the source of your gains.
The only way to really tell if its legit is by running the powder itself through tests. Some are on the iffy side like yung hot water test, smell test but the best way is still through INDEPENDENT LAB TESTING. It's not fool proof since nakalusot Myofusion and Mutant Labs diyan for years but it still holds more weight than "LUMAKI MASELS KO PERSONALLY SUCK IT TROLLS!" and "MAY ENDORSERS!!"
Lastly, can we put an end to the "Kung ayaw nyo, wag nyo" retort? This is a thread that's intended to collate our experiences regarding the product; it doesn't have to be all rosey and positive. Besides, that statement is such a cop-out and skirts away from a totally valid and sensible question. Rather than being defensive and antagonistic (not saying you are - but most of the responses are), why not respond and offer a good response? We're all on the same page here in that we all want to like PM7 but there are lingering concerns talaga that need to be addressed.
PErsonally, i like the taste of PM7 pero taste is irrelevant to building muscles. So other than that hindi ko sya GUSTO. I used GUSTO kasi I did my homework already, tried it, compared it, evaluated it, tested it... overall it didn't pass my personal standards, sa tagalog at madaling sabi hindi ko sya GUSTO.
About sa "Kung ayaw nyo, wag nyo" I think para sa ating LAHAT na gumamit na ng PM7, ayan sabihin natin sa sarili mga natin! Simple diba, you doubt the product then stop using it. Legit or not, if doesn't work it's useless. Eggs are excellent protein source very cheap also but I dont like it because it doesn't work for me (But but... eggs yun, it should work... LOL)
Try getting 23g of protein from soy/tofu, for sure lab tests will reveal that it contains 23g of protein... but i dont think you will make good gains with soy compared to animal meat. So legit or not ang PM7 or any other brands, if it doesn't give you results, useless!
My answer to the burning question: Be realistic, if you bought cheap stuff dont expect too much. E ano kung may 23g of protein nga sya kung di rin naman effective e di hahaba lang ang thread na to.
You, or anyone of us here, can't really answer that because that would be anecdotal. The burden of proof belongs to PM7 and they haven't presented any empirical data in response to the years of doubt and accusations.
Is it really protein powder or just glorified Milo? Wala eh. Their response is basically a website and Derek Ramsey. And of course, a truckload of users/sellers with preset rebuttals.
Be realistic, if you bought cheap stuff dont expect too much.
The "you get what you pay for" argument would only make sense if you are buying a product that openly presents itself as a knock-off. Hence the operative words "GET" and "PAID FOR".
In the case of PM7, I'm paying "nearly" the same price for the typical going rate of a "proven" protein powder (1,600 for a 5lbs bag to the 2,100+ that is Mutant Whey or Inner Armour) yet in reality, I'm possibly getting what could be construed as a pile of colored sugar with melamine.
To put it in perspective: if bumili ako nang mumurahin na phone, of course I wouldn't demand that it perform like an iPhone but I still expect it to perform like a phone. By that same token, I expect that a protein powder at the very least, has protein. Bonus na lang yung it really has what it says on the bag like the sweetener used, that different types of protein powder was used, and so on.
The burning question - which has yet to be answered 88 pages in afaik - is PM7 really what it claims to be? May 23g ba talaga siya nang protein? Talaga bang yung ingredients na nakasulat yung laman? Or if it truly is in fact, real?
I think most of the members are confused as to what this thread is all about.This is not a thread where you need to prove whether PM7 is fake, non legit, etc.
based on what you can see on the title it self " Personal Experience" . these 2 word pretty much summarizes everything what you need to write on this thread. how's the taste? tinigyawat ka ba? bloated ka ba? trip mo ba lasa? UMINOM KA BA? etc.I don't believe that researching whether PM7 is true to its label can be tag as personal experience. This is also the reason why humaba nang 88 pages ( 90 pages na ngayon)
ang thread na to. Almost lahat nang tinatanong nyo is sinagot na rin nang mga seller nang PM7 , IMO, this is quite a hassle na rin sa mga magbabasa sa thread nato.
you can make a thread entitle " comprehensive research on PM7". mas maiintindihan ko pa yun.
Lastly, can we put an end to the "Kung ayaw nyo, wag nyo" retort? This is a thread that's intended to collate our experiences regarding the product; it doesn't have to be all rosey and positive. Besides, that statement is such a cop-out and skirts away from a totally valid and sensible question. Rather than being defensive and antagonistic (not saying you are - but most of the responses are), why not respond and offer a good response? We're all on the same page here in that we all want to like PM7 but there are lingering concerns talaga that need to be addressed.
what wrong with "kung ayaw nyo, wag nyo" / kung hindi nyo gusto ang isang product wag nyo nalang gamitin. " ?
that statement is such a cop-out and skirts away from a totally valid and sensible question
which is what? to prove if PM7 is legit or not? Which in turn goes back to my first statement above, this is not a thread about research whether pm7 is fake or not.
saying "kung di nyo gusto, wag nyong bilhin" for me would be the most sensible and direct advice that I've read on this thread. Let's put it this way,
A : ayoko nang pm7, di ako naniniwalang may 23g protein sya,
B : ok, kung ayaw mong maniwala, wag mo na lang gamitin,
A : hindi, that is a cop -out answer from a totally valid and sensible statement. magreresearch ako about PM7, the manufacturer, the seller, random test etc.
instead of doing all this research, as simple as "not buying / using " would be the best solution sa mga agam agam about this product.
* I used pm7 before ( 3 - 4 bag na ata, I personally don't like it since nag kakatigyawat ako on the first 2 - 3 weeks of using this aside from that, wala na kong maisip, SUPPLEMENT lang to, no need to fuzz so much about it, )
* hindi ako seller
* walang akong kaibigang seller
* ayoko rin nang away, peace!
I think most of the members are confused as to what this thread is all about.This is not a thread where you need to prove whether PM7 is fake, non legit, etc.
based on what you can see on the title it self " Personal Experience" . these 2 word pretty much summarizes everything what you need to write on this thread. how's the taste? tinigyawat ka ba? bloated ka ba? trip mo ba lasa? UMINOM KA BA? etc.
I obviously do not have a full recollection of every single post here but I do recall that most of the guys that questioned PM7's legitimacy did comply with what the thread title was asking for by opening with their testimonials and personal experience and it just so happens that the road leads there kasi may isa na hindi daw nag-bloat or in my case when my glucose levels rose.
By the end of the day, this is a discussion thread about one's PM7 experiences which naturally entails discussion; not just a closed review.
what wrong with "kung ayaw nyo, wag nyo" / kung hindi nyo gusto ang isang product wag nyo nalang gamitin. " ?
If it's just about us not liking the taste or namamahalan ako or feel ko may better bang for the buck out there then yes - "kung ayaw mo, wag nyo" does make sense. But clearly that line of thinking doesn't apply here.
Unang una, we're not questioning PM7 because we don't like it but rather because we WANT to like it. Is it wrong to ask a company to provide proof that would put their existing patron's (and future customers') mind at ease?
And most importantly we're talking about legitimacy. Kung di siya legit, then they should be held accountable not only to their patrons but consumers and the LAW itself. Kaya nga may BFAD tayo eh. They may not be doing their jobs but they exist for a reason and I don't think "kung ayaw mo wag mo" is their approach to food and medicine that claims to be something they're not.
Wala naman nakikipag-away eh. Those who question PM7's legitimacy are questioning the company not the patrons and could very well be interpreted as them fighting for each and everyone of us, which is a good thing.
If anything yung nakikipag-away yung mga gumagawa nang passive-aggressive sarcastic jabs towards those who question PM7, Cash and Carry and so on. Whether or not you agree with their sentiments or if it was "answered" already, anong masama sa ginagawa nila di ba? As fellow consumers hindi ba pino-promote natin yung maging educated and suspicious of anything? I think they deserve a lot more credit than being marked off as delusional ignoramus's that need to backread 1,000 pages.
Wala naman nakikipag-away eh. Those who question PM7's legitimacy are questioning the company not the patrons and could very well be interpreted as them fighting for each and everyone of us, which is a good thing.
If anything yung nakikipag-away yung mga gumagawa nang passive-aggressive sarcastic jabs towards those who question PM7, Cash and Carry and so on. Whether or not you agree with their sentiments or if it was "answered" already, anong masama sa ginagawa nila di ba? As fellow consumers hindi ba pino-promote natin yung maging educated and suspicious of anything? I think they deserve a lot more credit than being marked off as delusional ignoramus's that need to backread 1,000 pages.
^This. Kahit naman ako I would WANT to like PM7. I'm familiar with how supplements are made and I know what's good or not basing on the label and how it is labeled pero honestly, I don't know the martket price of the ingredients that they use. Who knows, maybe the big brands are ripping us off and are ridiculously jacking up the prices of protein. If PM7's claims are true, I'd gladly switch. Yun nga lang, no transparency at all. Now before I get jabbed again by the users of PM7, I'm questioning the product and the company and not the users. PM7 needs to step up its game.
Hahaha ang kawawa sa huli yung mga gipit at walang budget for supps tapos PM7 lang ang kaya ng budget. Gipit na nga mahinang klase pa yung nabili. Yan masasabi ko bilang isang consumer at wise buyer.
Bilang isang experienced lifter, eto masasabi ko: I doubt na pure protein blend ang PM7 or made from quality ingredients based on my experience and how I tested the product. Kaya I can't force myself to like this product kahit pa mura sya at meron daw 23g of protein. Lolokohin ko lang sarili ko kung gugustuhin ko ang PM7 dahil 1600 lang sya at 23g protein. Kahit pa lab tested at proven na 23g pure protein ito kung wa epek naman basura yan. On the other hand, kahit pa cocoa+sugar lang sya kung may nakita kang gains e di swerte mo. Kahit pa placebo effect lang yun, so what diba? Naloko ka man ng manufacturer atleast may gains ka at next time maging mas masuri ka sa pagbili.
Sa totoo lang, kaya humahaba ang thread na ito kasi sobrang mura ng PM7. Sa sobrang mura nagdududa ang mga noobs. Painom mo sa mga beterano yang PM7 para makakuha ka ng mas maayos na feedback. Sa bodybuilding, experience sa product ang mahalaga hindi experience ng bulsa. Muscleheads are willing to spend for muscles. Fake or legit, cheap or expensive man susubukan lahat yan.
Hehe bro, actually mas nakakalito lalo in my experience. Meron kasi akong mga kilalang punit na punit at nagcocompete using PM7 and nananalo ng awards. I guess pwede na sila tawaging beterano kasi yung iba dekada na nagbubuhat. Yun nga lang, they sell PM7 din at yung iba e sponsored hahaha. So I don't know kung talaga bang ineendorse nila ang PM7 because it works or kung ineendorse nila dahil nakakakuha sila ng libre or they sell it for a profit haha
Hehe bro, actually mas nakakalito lalo in my experience. Meron kasi akong mga kilalang punit na punit at nagcocompete using PM7 and nananalo ng awards. I guess pwede na sila tawaging beteran o kasi yung iba dekada na nagbubuhat. Yun nga lang, they sell PM7 din at yung iba e sponsored hahaha. So I don't know kung talaga bang ineendorse nila ang PM7 because it works or kung ineendorse nila dahil nakakakuha sila ng libre or they sell it for a profit haha
Alam naman natin na steroids ang pumunit sa kanila at hindi PM7
Same with all supps na endorsed na mga Pro's. It's always about the money.
Speaking of sugars, there was one user in PEX who said na tumataas ang blood sugar levels niya every time umiinom siya ng PM7. Hindi daw niya na-e-experience yun sa iba.
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pero naka 13 bags na ako yata ng PM7. Okay naman sya sakin.
ganun talaga ang pinoy, na aatract sa mga international na products.
kapag mura,cheap agad. pinoy yan e hahaha!
Actually mas nakakaawa yung mindset na “wala pa naman nangyayari sa akin sa tagal na ginamit ko ito e so I therefore conclude na legit siya at haters lang yung mga kontra”. Hard solid facts (na non-existing until now) will always beat anecdotal evidence.
I mean just because di mo pa nararamdaman yung epekto sa katawan mo nang pollution, o pag kain nang mga mauuling na pagkain o exposure sa fluoride, etc. doesn't mean na okay lang siya. At wala din masama na magduda o maging alisto sa binibili natin lalo na kung may sense naman yung mga sinasabi — in fact, dapat pa nga palakpakan natin yung mga ganung consumer kasi nage-effort talaga sila na mag-suri, hindi yung basta bili lang rather than tawanan at turiing timang.
Ganito lang naman yan: kung yung sa America nga madami protein powder na lumalabas na di accurate yung protein content or ingredients (i.e. American Pure Whey, Gaspari Nutrition, Mutant Whey) despite na sandamakmak ang certifications, pano pa kaya etong mysterious na PM7 na halos walang background at super bagsak presyo na dinadaan lang sa endorsements? Common sense lang naman na mag-duda di ba?
Okay sige sabihin na natin na "WALA NAMAN PUMIPILIT SAYO E HURRR" pero di niyan sinasagot yung tanong ni consumer — you're just telling us na wag inumin, di ba?
lack of advertisement and promotion yung pm7
pero alam ko na iimprove na sila ngayon
may bagong flavors, may spinosponsor na sila ngayon
pero nd ko alam bakit spinosponsor nila yung mga basketball players..
tagal ko naman to ginagamit 3-4 scoops ako nito araw2. PR every week, laki naman improvement sa katawan ko. improvement every year.
Advertisement, sponsorship and endorsement deals doesn't prove na their product is exactly what they claim it to be; ibig sabihin lang nun may pera sila. Tignan mo yung Power Balance - ang dami nila sikat na endorsers may lease pa nga sila dati sa Arco Arena pero hoax yung bracelets nila.
Hindi rin batayan yung "gumana para sa akin" (a.k.a. anecdotal) kasi alam naman natin na hindi gagana ang whey kung di mo sasabayan nang tamang exercise at sapat na kain — kaso kahit walang whey basta nagbubuhat at kumakain, lalaki naman talaga katawan mo, di ba?
So instead na gumastos sila, why not maglabas sila nang cold hard facts like 3rd party testing? Isa sa BFAD at isang independent lab? "Walang pumipilit sayo bumili" is just poor business ethos.
Kasi kung ako PM7 hindi ako makukuntento sa current market ko. Madami dyan interesado sa PM7 dahil mura at maganda profile pero kailangan ko sila kumbinsihin to make the jump instead of patronizing yung mga overpriced na American counterparts, and the way to do that is to be transparent with my product. Kaso wala e. They're doing yung politician route na bumibili nang boto at mag-bank sa mga existing supporters rather than selling themselves through debates, track record atbp.
Hi sir!! maganda po yung opinyon nyung yan if hindi pa natalakay yan dito sa THREAD na ito.. nag backread na po ba kayo? ilang beses na po iyan natalakay ng mga masters dito
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For some reason, nakakalimutan gawin to. Makapag comment lang ba? :banghead::banghead:
this is opinion this is research
No one's aggressive, same as you, we are merely stating our opinion as well.
You based your opinion on PM7.
We based our opinion on your post.
Also, mas mabuti nang ma i correct habang maaga. For sure hahaba at hahaba na naman ang usapang to. ( for the benefit of future readers as well as yours )
Anyway, two months ago, bumili ako ng PM7. Lactose intolerant ako, pero gusto kong i-test kung may effect ba yung probiotic supplement for lactose intolerance na iniinom ko rin (bacteria siya na nagproproduce nung enzyme na pang-digest ng lactose).
True enough, hindi ako nagka-diarrhea. In fact, naubos ko yung 2lb na pack nang walang digestive issues. Maraming possibilities: (1) majority ng whey sa PM7 ay isolate (2) walang whey concentrate sa PM7 as claimed in the packaging (3) gumana yung probiotic supps na ininom ko. So uminom ako ng usual na gatas. Boom! Mejo nasuka ako at after 2-3 hours, dumiretso ako agad sa banyo. Nabili ko sa CnC yung supp. Kung fake yun or what, ibang kuwento na yun. Pero yung kawalan ko ng diarrhea habang umiinom ng PM7, mejo hindi siya conclusive dahil sa maraming possibleng explanation. Add: Nakatry nako ng ON sa CnC at Impact dati. Nagkadiarrhea ako. I ended up giving my tub to a friend who also works out.
As to the smell, sa experience ko it never really stank. But it's possible that I may not have left my unclean shaker long enough.
Now, here's the thing. After having lost my faith in PM7, I bought a pack of pasteurized egg albumen powder to augment my protein intake (1 kilo for P900). I can really say that PM7 smells strongly of egg albumen. Could it be that PM7 consists mainly of egg albument? If it is, then it's not necessarily a bad thing. Anyway, you will need lots of cocoa or Milo to dissolve it without considerable foaming.
[size=medium]What made me think that PM7 is likely fake is this [/size]([size=medium]Feel free to verify or rebut this in anyway. Like most people here, gusto ko ring maliwanagan[/size]. I will just quote what I posted in Pex):
SUMMARY: VS Int'l, the Indian manufacturer of PM7 as indicated in the package, manufactures drugs, hospital supplies and equipment, not protein supplements. As to the PM7 website na lulubog lilitaw, madali lang gumawa nun. Isa pa, any imported product, ideally, should also include the name of its local distributor. What are the odds that VS Int'l forgot or intentionally did not include PM7 in the list of products they manufacture?
Anyway, I did further research to verify if PM7 is indeed sold in India. Mejo suspicious yung claim na it's made in India but exclusively sold in the Philippines. It doesn't make sense. I used google.co.in and set custom location to India. See: https://www.google.co.in/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Promatrix+7&tbs=ctr:countryIN&cr=countryIN. Some results link back to the Philippines. Others are about an IT company called Promatrix Solutions. A couple of sites sell Promatrix in India online (for example: http://www.definitenutrition.in/store/products/7-definite-egg-promatrix-egg-whey-1-kg-22-lbs-chocolate-flavor.html) but it looks like an entirely different product. There is, however, a company called VS Nutrition http://www.vsnutrition.in/productsearch.php, also based in India, that does sell supplements. Oh well, so baka ito yun. Baka related siya sa VS Int'l. Baka - nobody really knows. Ang hirap i-verify. Alas, I typed Promatrix on the search bar. Result: No such product found.
There, I did my homework.
Lastly, if the atmosphere in this thread is that of "hey, bro, most of us are clueless, here's what I know, here's a bit of info I can pitch in", any bad debate would not have ensued. Fortunately, I myself have moved on. And this, hopefully, is the last thing I have to say about PM7.
It's not an issue of "hindi gusto". Like I said in my earlier testimonial, it's the best tasting protein powder I've tried since Myofusion (coincidentally another whey protein that was under fire din for dubious content) tapos mura pa - what's not to like?
The burning question - which has yet to be answered 88 pages in afaik - is PM7 really what it claims to be? May 23g ba talaga siya nang protein? Talaga bang yung ingredients na nakasulat yung laman? Or if it truly is in fact, real?
You can't base it on results kasi alam naman natin that a protein powder won't work without proper exercise and diet - but since you can still grow WITHOUT supplements you cannot conclusively tell that it's the protein powder that's the source of your gains.
The only way to really tell if its legit is by running the powder itself through tests. Some are on the iffy side like yung hot water test, smell test but the best way is still through INDEPENDENT LAB TESTING. It's not fool proof since nakalusot Myofusion and Mutant Labs diyan for years but it still holds more weight than "LUMAKI MASELS KO PERSONALLY SUCK IT TROLLS!" and "MAY ENDORSERS!!"
Lastly, can we put an end to the "Kung ayaw nyo, wag nyo" retort? This is a thread that's intended to collate our experiences regarding the product; it doesn't have to be all rosey and positive. Besides, that statement is such a cop-out and skirts away from a totally valid and sensible question. Rather than being defensive and antagonistic (not saying you are - but most of the responses are), why not respond and offer a good response? We're all on the same page here in that we all want to like PM7 but there are lingering concerns talaga that need to be addressed.
PErsonally, i like the taste of PM7 pero taste is irrelevant to building muscles. So other than that hindi ko sya GUSTO. I used GUSTO kasi I did my homework already, tried it, compared it, evaluated it, tested it... overall it didn't pass my personal standards, sa tagalog at madaling sabi hindi ko sya GUSTO.
About sa "Kung ayaw nyo, wag nyo" I think para sa ating LAHAT na gumamit na ng PM7, ayan sabihin natin sa sarili mga natin! Simple diba, you doubt the product then stop using it. Legit or not, if doesn't work it's useless. Eggs are excellent protein source very cheap also but I dont like it because it doesn't work for me (But but... eggs yun, it should work... LOL)
Try getting 23g of protein from soy/tofu, for sure lab tests will reveal that it contains 23g of protein... but i dont think you will make good gains with soy compared to animal meat. So legit or not ang PM7 or any other brands, if it doesn't give you results, useless!
My answer to the burning question: Be realistic, if you bought cheap stuff dont expect too much. E ano kung may 23g of protein nga sya kung di rin naman effective e di hahaba lang ang thread na to.
You, or anyone of us here, can't really answer that because that would be anecdotal. The burden of proof belongs to PM7 and they haven't presented any empirical data in response to the years of doubt and accusations.
Is it really protein powder or just glorified Milo? Wala eh. Their response is basically a website and Derek Ramsey. And of course, a truckload of users/sellers with preset rebuttals.
The "you get what you pay for" argument would only make sense if you are buying a product that openly presents itself as a knock-off. Hence the operative words "GET" and "PAID FOR".
In the case of PM7, I'm paying "nearly" the same price for the typical going rate of a "proven" protein powder (1,600 for a 5lbs bag to the 2,100+ that is Mutant Whey or Inner Armour) yet in reality, I'm possibly getting what could be construed as a pile of colored sugar with melamine.
To put it in perspective: if bumili ako nang mumurahin na phone, of course I wouldn't demand that it perform like an iPhone but I still expect it to perform like a phone. By that same token, I expect that a protein powder at the very least, has protein. Bonus na lang yung it really has what it says on the bag like the sweetener used, that different types of protein powder was used, and so on.
I think most of the members are confused as to what this thread is all about.This is not a thread where you need to prove whether PM7 is fake, non legit, etc.
based on what you can see on the title it self " Personal Experience" . these 2 word pretty much summarizes everything what you need to write on this thread. how's the taste? tinigyawat ka ba? bloated ka ba? trip mo ba lasa? UMINOM KA BA? etc.I don't believe that researching whether PM7 is true to its label can be tag as personal experience. This is also the reason why humaba nang 88 pages ( 90 pages na ngayon)
ang thread na to. Almost lahat nang tinatanong nyo is sinagot na rin nang mga seller nang PM7 , IMO, this is quite a hassle na rin sa mga magbabasa sa thread nato.
you can make a thread entitle " comprehensive research on PM7". mas maiintindihan ko pa yun.
what wrong with "kung ayaw nyo, wag nyo" / kung hindi nyo gusto ang isang product wag nyo nalang gamitin. " ?
which is what? to prove if PM7 is legit or not? Which in turn goes back to my first statement above, this is not a thread about research whether pm7 is fake or not.
saying "kung di nyo gusto, wag nyong bilhin" for me would be the most sensible and direct advice that I've read on this thread. Let's put it this way,
A : ayoko nang pm7, di ako naniniwalang may 23g protein sya,
B : ok, kung ayaw mong maniwala, wag mo na lang gamitin,
A : hindi, that is a cop -out answer from a totally valid and sensible statement. magreresearch ako about PM7, the manufacturer, the seller, random test etc.
instead of doing all this research, as simple as "not buying / using " would be the best solution sa mga agam agam about this product.
* I used pm7 before ( 3 - 4 bag na ata, I personally don't like it since nag kakatigyawat ako on the first 2 - 3 weeks of using this aside from that, wala na kong maisip, SUPPLEMENT lang to, no need to fuzz so much about it, )
* hindi ako seller
* walang akong kaibigang seller
* ayoko rin nang away, peace!
I obviously do not have a full recollection of every single post here but I do recall that most of the guys that questioned PM7's legitimacy did comply with what the thread title was asking for by opening with their testimonials and personal experience and it just so happens that the road leads there kasi may isa na hindi daw nag-bloat or in my case when my glucose levels rose.
By the end of the day, this is a discussion thread about one's PM7 experiences which naturally entails discussion; not just a closed review.
It does since it's related to the unique experiences some of us encountered.
But I do see your point that continuing this discussion would just derail the true objective of the thread so we'll just make a separate topic.
If it's just about us not liking the taste or namamahalan ako or feel ko may better bang for the buck out there then yes - "kung ayaw mo, wag nyo" does make sense. But clearly that line of thinking doesn't apply here.
Unang una, we're not questioning PM7 because we don't like it but rather because we WANT to like it. Is it wrong to ask a company to provide proof that would put their existing patron's (and future customers') mind at ease?
And most importantly we're talking about legitimacy. Kung di siya legit, then they should be held accountable not only to their patrons but consumers and the LAW itself. Kaya nga may BFAD tayo eh. They may not be doing their jobs but they exist for a reason and I don't think "kung ayaw mo wag mo" is their approach to food and medicine that claims to be something they're not.
Wala naman nakikipag-away eh. Those who question PM7's legitimacy are questioning the company not the patrons and could very well be interpreted as them fighting for each and everyone of us, which is a good thing.
If anything yung nakikipag-away yung mga gumagawa nang passive-aggressive sarcastic jabs towards those who question PM7, Cash and Carry and so on. Whether or not you agree with their sentiments or if it was "answered" already, anong masama sa ginagawa nila di ba? As fellow consumers hindi ba pino-promote natin yung maging educated and suspicious of anything? I think they deserve a lot more credit than being marked off as delusional ignoramus's that need to backread 1,000 pages.
^This. Kahit naman ako I would WANT to like PM7. I'm familiar with how supplements are made and I know what's good or not basing on the label and how it is labeled pero honestly, I don't know the martket price of the ingredients that they use. Who knows, maybe the big brands are ripping us off and are ridiculously jacking up the prices of protein. If PM7's claims are true, I'd gladly switch. Yun nga lang, no transparency at all. Now before I get jabbed again by the users of PM7, I'm questioning the product and the company and not the users. PM7 needs to step up its game.
Bilang isang experienced lifter, eto masasabi ko: I doubt na pure protein blend ang PM7 or made from quality ingredients based on my experience and how I tested the product. Kaya I can't force myself to like this product kahit pa mura sya at meron daw 23g of protein. Lolokohin ko lang sarili ko kung gugustuhin ko ang PM7 dahil 1600 lang sya at 23g protein. Kahit pa lab tested at proven na 23g pure protein ito kung wa epek naman basura yan. On the other hand, kahit pa cocoa+sugar lang sya kung may nakita kang gains e di swerte mo. Kahit pa placebo effect lang yun, so what diba? Naloko ka man ng manufacturer atleast may gains ka at next time maging mas masuri ka sa pagbili.
Sa totoo lang, kaya humahaba ang thread na ito kasi sobrang mura ng PM7. Sa sobrang mura nagdududa ang mga noobs. Painom mo sa mga beterano yang PM7 para makakuha ka ng mas maayos na feedback. Sa bodybuilding, experience sa product ang mahalaga hindi experience ng bulsa. Muscleheads are willing to spend for muscles. Fake or legit, cheap or expensive man susubukan lahat yan.
Alam naman natin na steroids ang pumunit sa kanila at hindi PM7
Same with all supps na endorsed na mga Pro's. It's always about the money.
Boom. Haha