teka nag lalaro lang.. eto naghanap ako ng kopya textbook.. ok lang sir, kung alam nyo na lahat, hinde naman kita pipilitin.. siguro safe nga high protein diet, puro protein na lang siguro, hinde siguro masama iyon hehe.. (mejo mahaba eto at tinatamad lang ako, siguro ask your doctor kung may kakilala ka)
last na hahaha
ay ngayon ko lang to nabasa, "puro protein na lang siguro, hinde siguro masama iyon hehe.."
Wala naman ata akong sinabing puro protein ang kainin diba? Meron po ba? Eh pinipilosopo mo pala ako doc clev eh, tinatanong ko lang naman kung bakit masama ang masyadong mataas ang protein intake sinabi ko bang gawin 100% protein lang i take ni OP para umayos katawan nya? Tas nag bigay ka pa ng percentage na 10-15% na hindi mo naman nilinaw na for a regular person na not into intense physical activities or bodybuilding, kinailangan pa mag tanong si jettie para linawin mo yang punto mo. Pano kung hindi nagtanong si Jettie maiiwan lang yang percentage mo dyan na nakabitin at pag may ibang makabasa nyan na wala namang kaalam alam edi pati sa protina natakot na din siya lolz.
hinde ko alam kung anong dapat pagtalunan dito, anyways. Agree pa nga ako ng sinabi mo na rice na lang instead of skyflakes since kelangan talaga ng carbs as source of energy (not protein, much more if you're working out). read my first post.
and yes i used 10-15% RDA (some may go as high as 30-40% depende sa needs), pag ginamit ko yung mas mataas na limit, hinde ka ba magtatanong bakit yun ang ginamit ko.. i wont always assume na lahat dito nasa very high level of activity (tho i know this is body building forums). if you want to add few grams of extra proteins, pwede naman dahil hinde naman gram per gram i aabsorb ng katawan (for instance, you need 150g, you can go 180g as example).
hinde ko alam bakit siningit yung case nyo alam nyo naman iba tayo, its up to us to modify it.
Sa taong naka 2k calories lang ginamit ko upper limit na 15% pumatak ng 70g protein lol
yes, sa RDA usually 2k ang ginagamit, mataas pa nga yung 70g in general kasi dito 56g..
and again, hinde ko sinabi na eto ang gamitin nyo, always syempre kayo masnakakaalam ng case nyo.
^
Yes we all know that.
Kaso yan kaya ibig niya sabihin?
Or he's refering specifically to the person who started the thread who is trying to build muscle and working out?
yes sir, pero wala ako nabasa sa post prior na he is working out, or is very high level or activity etc. so i took the general RDA instead.. and the topic is about macros (specifically given by the threadstarter).
^tama si allen, sa pag kaka sabi kasi nya malalason agad pag lumagpas dun sa percentage na ibinigay nya nasa bodybuilding site tayo so dapat he made it clear in his post na para don sa mga non-athletes, bbrs, and non-active individuals yung numbers na yon and that there is an exception
if you look at it very closely, wala ako sinabing malalasong or such, sinabi ko is kawawa i dont mean youll gonna die lol.. (edi sana lahat ng nagbinge sa eat all you can mamamatay). well i was refering to skyflakes/carb vs protein na hinde mo naman maabsorb lahat, more your liver will be utilize. (i wont go even more technical)
parang alak lang yan, kahit sabihin masama sa atay iinom pa rin. you are what you eat sabi nga, if you think its ok then go on.
Wala naman ata akong sinabing puro protein ang kainin diba? Meron po ba? Eh pinipilosopo mo pala ako doc clev eh, tinatanong ko lang naman kung bakit masama ang masyadong mataas ang protein intake sinabi ko bang gawin 100% protein lang i take ni OP para umayos katawan nya? Tas nag bigay ka pa ng percentage na 10-15% na hindi mo naman nilinaw na for a regular person na not into intense physical activities or bodybuilding, kinailangan pa mag tanong si jettie para linawin mo yang punto mo. Pano kung hindi nagtanong si Jettie maiiwan lang yang percentage mo dyan na nakabitin at pag may ibang makabasa nyan na wala namang kaalam alam edi pati sa protina natakot na din siya lolz.
well i thought you're being too sarcastic in the first place, nasagot mo na kung bakit, at alam mo naman na ang sagot.. sinagot ko rin ng maayos ang tanong mo, hinde rin ako nakikipag away kung kanino ang tama or mali ang sayo.. kung sa kaso nyo mabuti ang mataas na protina, sige lang po lalo na kung matagal nyo ng ginagawa mahirap makipagtalo doon.
basta ako tinataasan ko protina ko to promote satiety at longer busog state! Dahil naka fasting nga ako, i need longer absorption proteins para sa longer fasting hours.
@clev: bro, ano yung " hindi maasorb lahat"? protein intake per meal ba? or total protein intake for the day? excess protein ba will be put to waste? Sorry ha, naguguluhan lang ako. thanks!
Yun na nga alam mo na ngang bodybuilding site to, di naman siguro sasali yung tao dito kung hindi sya at least physically active or will try to be kaya misleading yung post mo.
@clev: bro, ano yung " hindi maasorb lahat"? protein intake per meal ba? or total protein intake for the day? excess protein ba will be put to waste? Sorry ha, naguguluhan lang ako. thanks!
yes, sir vinch.. what i meant is, for example you planned to take 100g of protein for your caloric intake, so you took 100g of protein based on your estimates but then you wont be absorbing the 100g of protein gram per gram. kasi protein ang isa sa pinaka mahirap idigest (esp meat, siguro one reason na rin kaya kailangan ng extra protein supplements like whey). if i took 250g of steak, how much protein did my body really took?.
and yes, excess protein will be put to waste (literally as in human feces), kasi if ever you'll wonder where will be my excess protein goes (will it accumulate in body?, otherwise we will just take protein and we will grow automatically). Protein is just protein, unless broken down into amino acid (so the body can utilize, same with carb to sugar and fats to lipid).
same concept din eto sa laxatives (so your body wont have time to absorb your intake), and Orlistat (wherein it impedes fat absoption, you'll literally shit oil).
one reason din bakit hinde ko pinapansin yung "i am taking this amount of XXX protein question".. kahit doblehin or triplehin pa man iyon hinde rin naman yun talaga ang protein na maabsorb mo. gusto ko rin malaman kung yung sinasabi nyong protein na tinatake nyo per day is the actual protein your body absorbs or just the protein content of your food.. kasi when you declare na your body needs this X amount of calorie based on your macro and claim you took this X amount as computed, in reality you're not.
lastly tanong ko: kung kumain ako 2 lb burger na "lapida" Zarcks, ilan protein, fats and carb kaya maaabsorb ko (eh kung after 30-1hr, nadumi ako). we'll just to give an example, so hopefully you'll get what i meant.
@good question si yates
"Yun na nga alam mo na ngang bodybuilding site to, di naman siguro sasali yung tao dito kung hindi sya at least physically active or will try to be kaya misleading yung post mo."
siguro masmaganda na hinde sa akin mangaling kung ano gagamitin nya, if active or very active kasi sya masnakakaalam ng activity nya. if would still be safe on the average and modify to his needs. mas misleading if i will always use the upper limit just because this is a bodybuilding forum.
take for example, i did intense work out today, and would take rest the next will the level of my daily activity the same?
@clev: bro i know kung ano ang pinangalingan ng sinabi about the absorption of protein pero i disagree w/ you based na rin on recent studies. Baka mabasa mo din yun pag nagresearch ka pero hindi ko bibigay yung links dun sa studies para hindi na maging technical. Ganito na lang para madali, example you eat 10g of protein per meal versus 50g per meal. mas mabilis lang maaabsorb yung 10g versus 50g pero lahat sila iaabsorb ng gut mo. magkakaiba lang sa digestion rate pero dahan dahan pa din yan ipoprocess ng tiyan natin. kasi kung sasabihin natin na "hindi lahat maabsorb" regardless kung 10g or 50g protein per meal ibig sabihin meron laging tapon sa protein intake mo? kawawa naman yung kumain ng 10g kung ganun kasi baka good as 6g protein lang pala yung kinain nya. hindi ko naman sinasabi na kung ano pinasok mo sa bibig mo ay guaranteed na agad to be digested properly pero as far as im concerned absorption is different from digestion
at yung sa example mo sa burger, kung natae after an hour malamang yung kinain mo prior to that or baka the day before yung tinae mo kasi kulang ang 1 hour para makababa yung food mo sa intestines. doctor ko mismo ang nagsabi sakin nyan dahil nirereklamo ko yung effect ng whey dati at nung mga bagong food sa diet ko
so ayan bahala na sila kung ano gusto nila paniwalaan hahaha nice inputs very informative!
@clev: bro i know kung ano ang pinangalingan ng sinabi about the absorption of protein pero i disagree w/ you based na rin on recent studies. Baka mabasa mo din yun pag nagresearch ka pero hindi ko bibigay yung links dun sa studies para hindi na maging technical. Ganito na lang para madali, example you eat 10g of protein per meal versus 50g per meal. mas mabilis lang maaabsorb yung 10g versus 50g pero lahat sila iaabsorb ng gut mo. magkakaiba lang sa digestion rate pero dahan dahan pa din yan ipoprocess ng tiyan natin. kasi kung sasabihin natin na "hindi lahat maabsorb" regardless kung 10g or 50g protein per meal ibig sabihin meron laging tapon sa protein intake mo? kawawa naman yung kumain ng 10g kung ganun kasi baka good as 6g protein lang pala yung kinain nya. hindi ko naman sinasabi na kung ano pinasok mo sa bibig mo ay guaranteed na agad to be digested properly pero as far as im concerned absorption is different from digestion
at yung sa example mo sa burger, kung natae after an hour malamang yung kinain mo prior to that or baka the day before yung tinae mo kasi kulang ang 1 hour para makababa yung food mo sa intestines. doctor ko mismo ang nagsabi sakin nyan dahil nirereklamo ko yung effect ng whey dati at nung mga bagong food sa diet ko
so ayan bahala na sila kung ano gusto nila paniwalaan hahaha nice inputs very informative!
Sana ito maging malinaw na sa lahat at sana ito na ang wakas.
Salamat sa maayos na explanation boss mabuti ka pa mahaba ang pasensya.
Ako aminadong hindi hahaha
@clev: bro i know kung ano ang pinangalingan ng sinabi about the absorption of protein pero i disagree w/ you based na rin on recent studies. Baka mabasa mo din yun pag nagresearch ka pero hindi ko bibigay yung links dun sa studies para hindi na maging technical. Ganito na lang para madali, example you eat 10g of protein per meal versus 50g per meal. mas mabilis lang maaabsorb yung 10g versus 50g pero lahat sila iaabsorb ng gut mo. magkakaiba lang sa digestion rate pero dahan dahan pa din yan ipoprocess ng tiyan natin. kasi kung sasabihin natin na "hindi lahat maabsorb" regardless kung 10g or 50g protein per meal ibig sabihin meron laging tapon sa protein intake mo? kawawa naman yung kumain ng 10g kung ganun kasi baka good as 6g protein lang pala yung kinain nya. hindi ko naman sinasabi na kung ano pinasok mo sa bibig mo ay guaranteed na agad to be digested properly pero as far as im concerned absorption is different from digestion
at yung sa example mo sa burger, kung natae after an hour malamang yung kinain mo prior to that or baka the day before yung tinae mo kasi kulang ang 1 hour para makababa yung food mo sa intestines. doctor ko mismo ang nagsabi sakin nyan dahil nirereklamo ko yung effect ng whey dati at nung mga bagong food sa diet ko
so ayan bahala na sila kung ano gusto nila paniwalaan hahaha nice inputs very informative!
thanks sir vinch, may tanong ako.. if i ate say, 5000 calorie meal on my cheat day, how do i compute/add it up to my daily calorie intake.
^Pero feeling ko na typo sya at baka weekly surplus/deficit tinatnaong nya heheBat mo pa icoconsider kasi malamang lahat ng macros mo tumaas unless puro suman at kutsinta yung 5000 calories hehe
Ah yon ba cinocompute by the weight of the food example eto gamit ko
4oz breast = 25g protein 1g fat
tas sabihin natin 20oz kinakin ko the whole day
edi 125g protein 5g fat siya i got the oz measurement gamit kitchen scale weighed ng hilawSa pag kaka alam ko stored yan lahat as fat or adipose tissue and build muscle mass for us bodybuilders, kung eexcrete ng katawan natin yung sobra edi wala ng taong tataba at mag gagain ng muscle , perfect world na yon para sa regular na tao para naman sa mga bodybuilder bangungot yon hehe. Pero may technicalities pa yan lalo na sa pag dating sa carbs
Kung depleted ang glycogen stores (both liver and muscles), i-store lahat yang calorie intake mo with priority to those two. Any other excess, deposited as adipose tissue (fat). This thread is getting ridiculously complicated. lol
eh parang ganun kse ung gustong logic ni clev eh, so pag ganyan disregard na pala ang hard gainers. i mean real hard gainers, ung tipong 5k to 7k calories a day kinakain,
kung ganyan lang sana hindi nako tumaba. hala jusko!.
Ah yon ba cinocompute by the weight of the food example eto gamit ko
4oz breast = 25g protein 1g fat
tas sabihin natin 20oz kinakin ko the whole day
edi 125g protein 5g fat siya i got the oz measurement gamit kitchen scale weighed ng hilawSa pag kaka alam ko stored yan lahat as fat or adipose tissue and build muscle mass for us bodybuilders, kung eexcrete ng katawan natin yung sobra edi wala ng taong tataba at mag gagain ng muscle , perfect world na yon para sa regular na tao para naman sa mga bodybuilder bangungot yon hehe. Pero may technicalities pa yan lalo na sa pag dating sa carbs
lets just take it an example, how much protein will be allocated for bodybuilding and muscle repair? do you really need that much? how much will be stored in the liver?
yan din gusto ko malaman, sa carbs iba ang kaso sa protein iba rin..
actually we had a debate which is better: high protein diet or high fiber.. (pros and cons were delivered)
Eto nalang para simple subukan mo mag buhat ng one month with a low protein in your diet then another month with a higher one such as 1g/1lb with the same calorie content such as 2.5k(ikaw na bahala sa gagamitin mo) then compare your results in terms of body composition. And actually 1g/1lb isnt even high for a regular bodybuilder compared to an IFBB pro or other competitors who almost takes in 300-400g protein lolzzzzzzzzzz
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Hahaha out na ko dito lol
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ay ngayon ko lang to nabasa, "puro protein na lang siguro, hinde siguro masama iyon hehe.."
Wala naman ata akong sinabing puro protein ang kainin diba? Meron po ba? Eh pinipilosopo mo pala ako doc clev eh, tinatanong ko lang naman kung bakit masama ang masyadong mataas ang protein intake sinabi ko bang gawin 100% protein lang i take ni OP para umayos katawan nya? Tas nag bigay ka pa ng percentage na 10-15% na hindi mo naman nilinaw na for a regular person na not into intense physical activities or bodybuilding, kinailangan pa mag tanong si jettie para linawin mo yang punto mo. Pano kung hindi nagtanong si Jettie maiiwan lang yang percentage mo dyan na nakabitin at pag may ibang makabasa nyan na wala namang kaalam alam edi pati sa protina natakot na din siya lolz.
hinde ko alam kung anong dapat pagtalunan dito, anyways. Agree pa nga ako ng sinabi mo na rice na lang instead of skyflakes since kelangan talaga ng carbs as source of energy (not protein, much more if you're working out). read my first post.
and yes i used 10-15% RDA (some may go as high as 30-40% depende sa needs), pag ginamit ko yung mas mataas na limit, hinde ka ba magtatanong bakit yun ang ginamit ko.. i wont always assume na lahat dito nasa very high level of activity (tho i know this is body building forums). if you want to add few grams of extra proteins, pwede naman dahil hinde naman gram per gram i aabsorb ng katawan (for instance, you need 150g, you can go 180g as example).
hinde ko alam bakit siningit yung case nyo alam nyo naman iba tayo, its up to us to modify it.
yes, sa RDA usually 2k ang ginagamit, mataas pa nga yung 70g in general kasi dito 56g..
and again, hinde ko sinabi na eto ang gamitin nyo, always syempre kayo masnakakaalam ng case nyo.
ill provide link, mas madali mag provide sa net.
http://www.globalrph.com/protein-calculator.htm
http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/protein
yes sir, pero wala ako nabasa sa post prior na he is working out, or is very high level or activity etc. so i took the general RDA instead.. and the topic is about macros (specifically given by the threadstarter).
if you look at it very closely, wala ako sinabing malalasong or such, sinabi ko is kawawa i dont mean youll gonna die lol.. (edi sana lahat ng nagbinge sa eat all you can mamamatay). well i was refering to skyflakes/carb vs protein na hinde mo naman maabsorb lahat, more your liver will be utilize. (i wont go even more technical)
parang alak lang yan, kahit sabihin masama sa atay iinom pa rin. you are what you eat sabi nga, if you think its ok then go on.
well i thought you're being too sarcastic in the first place, nasagot mo na kung bakit, at alam mo naman na ang sagot.. sinagot ko rin ng maayos ang tanong mo, hinde rin ako nakikipag away kung kanino ang tama or mali ang sayo.. kung sa kaso nyo mabuti ang mataas na protina, sige lang po lalo na kung matagal nyo ng ginagawa mahirap makipagtalo doon.
anyways i rest my case, peace..
anyways i have a copy of this lecture, if you have time you may read and download.. dont worry its safe..
http://www.mediafire.com/download/06czuq9ybfamj3y/IM_-_Medical_Nutrition_Therapy.pptx
basta ako tinataasan ko protina ko to promote satiety at longer busog state! Dahil naka fasting nga ako, i need longer absorption proteins para sa longer fasting hours.
damn, too many longer in a longer sentences!
Yun na nga alam mo na ngang bodybuilding site to, di naman siguro sasali yung tao dito kung hindi sya at least physically active or will try to be kaya misleading yung post mo.
yes, sir vinch.. what i meant is, for example you planned to take 100g of protein for your caloric intake, so you took 100g of protein based on your estimates but then you wont be absorbing the 100g of protein gram per gram. kasi protein ang isa sa pinaka mahirap idigest (esp meat, siguro one reason na rin kaya kailangan ng extra protein supplements like whey). if i took 250g of steak, how much protein did my body really took?.
and yes, excess protein will be put to waste (literally as in human feces), kasi if ever you'll wonder where will be my excess protein goes (will it accumulate in body?, otherwise we will just take protein and we will grow automatically). Protein is just protein, unless broken down into amino acid (so the body can utilize, same with carb to sugar and fats to lipid).
same concept din eto sa laxatives (so your body wont have time to absorb your intake), and Orlistat (wherein it impedes fat absoption, you'll literally shit oil).
one reason din bakit hinde ko pinapansin yung "i am taking this amount of XXX protein question".. kahit doblehin or triplehin pa man iyon hinde rin naman yun talaga ang protein na maabsorb mo. gusto ko rin malaman kung yung sinasabi nyong protein na tinatake nyo per day is the actual protein your body absorbs or just the protein content of your food.. kasi when you declare na your body needs this X amount of calorie based on your macro and claim you took this X amount as computed, in reality you're not.
lastly tanong ko: kung kumain ako 2 lb burger na "lapida" Zarcks, ilan protein, fats and carb kaya maaabsorb ko (eh kung after 30-1hr, nadumi ako). we'll just to give an example, so hopefully you'll get what i meant.
@good question si yates
"Yun na nga alam mo na ngang bodybuilding site to, di naman siguro sasali yung tao dito kung hindi sya at least physically active or will try to be kaya misleading yung post mo."
siguro masmaganda na hinde sa akin mangaling kung ano gagamitin nya, if active or very active kasi sya masnakakaalam ng activity nya. if would still be safe on the average and modify to his needs. mas misleading if i will always use the upper limit just because this is a bodybuilding forum.
take for example, i did intense work out today, and would take rest the next will the level of my daily activity the same?
at yung sa example mo sa burger, kung natae after an hour malamang yung kinain mo prior to that or baka the day before yung tinae mo kasi kulang ang 1 hour para makababa yung food mo sa intestines. doctor ko mismo ang nagsabi sakin nyan dahil nirereklamo ko yung effect ng whey dati at nung mga bagong food sa diet ko
so ayan bahala na sila kung ano gusto nila paniwalaan hahaha
Sana ito maging malinaw na sa lahat at sana ito na ang wakas.
Salamat sa maayos na explanation boss mabuti ka pa mahaba ang pasensya.
Ako aminadong hindi hahaha
thanks sir vinch, may tanong ako.. if i ate say, 5000 calorie meal on my cheat day, how do i compute/add it up to my daily calorie intake.
brutal training ako bukas tapos BUFFET 101!
well i was exaggerating a bit when i say 5000 calorie meal though pwede naman. pano magkakasya iyong 7000 meal sa body?
carb vs fat vs protein content? how it will be stored? or the body will excrete any excess?
4oz breast = 25g protein 1g fat
tas sabihin natin 20oz kinakin ko the whole day
edi 125g protein 5g fat siya i got the oz measurement gamit kitchen scale weighed ng hilawSa pag kaka alam ko stored yan lahat as fat or adipose tissue and build muscle mass for us bodybuilders, kung eexcrete ng katawan natin yung sobra edi wala ng taong tataba at mag gagain ng muscle , perfect world na yon para sa regular na tao para naman sa mga bodybuilder bangungot yon hehe. Pero may technicalities pa yan lalo na sa pag dating sa carbs
eh parang ganun kse ung gustong logic ni clev eh, so pag ganyan disregard na pala ang hard gainers. i mean real hard gainers, ung tipong 5k to 7k calories a day kinakain,
kung ganyan lang sana hindi nako tumaba. hala jusko!.
lets just take it an example, how much protein will be allocated for bodybuilding and muscle repair? do you really need that much? how much will be stored in the liver?
yan din gusto ko malaman, sa carbs iba ang kaso sa protein iba rin..
actually we had a debate which is better: high protein diet or high fiber.. (pros and cons were delivered)