For me, using IF LG okay naman, di ko talaga kaya kumain ng 5-6 meals a day parang dun na lang iikot buhay ko at since breakfast skipper ako LG na napili ko.
Tama si sir allen, dipende sa iba't ibang tao ang approach ng mga ganito.. Ako kung ano lang meron ngayon na ulam basta mataas protina go kung mababa okay lang din, kainin na lang .
Sa ngayon pahinga ako sa mga pagkain ko, tamang maintenance muna at kahit di maabot ang 1BW=1g protein.. Masakit tyan ko hanggang ngayon heheh. Baka nasobrahan kasi ako. Purga mode!
*i train fasted sometimes at wowowwheels ang result over nakakain after 2-3 hrs na kumain, pero minsan lang since schedule ko eh mahirap*
Thanks for the insight guys. Iba iba dn kasi mga workouts,diets,supplements na kinahihiligan natin.for me I read somewhere na the body must intake any type of protein within 3hours post meal to prevent catabolic effect. Any comments about this? I have tried the 3x a day na diet din and it works pero dpende sa knkain dn kng knti langmagugutom.and nggng flat.
Actually the topic right now is the protein per intake not the protein for the whole day. Kng naabsorb b sya in one take. The intake for the whole day varies person to personnmn e.
got that I was just asking if we could, so we'll have a model and if it works for that individual. we dont have to mimic their ways just want to know from someone who experience the actual intake.
yon nga seven gawan niyo ng thread para naman, malaman natin kung gumagana yong di masyadong mataas na intake o medyo lang kasi magastos din, para di naman mag worry lagi yong iba, at matanya nila yong para lang sa kanila di ba?
I think it is important to give information we hear or read the benefit of the doubt. As learners, we have to keep an open mind. This way you will gain more ideas. The more ideas you have, the more materials you have to think critically. Kesa naman everything na mabasa ay ipuput down nalang agad. Masstuck nalang tayo sa mga info na meron tayo at hindi na tayo magaadvance. As we know, the fitness industry is changing so fast. And we have to keep up with it.
Ang dami ko ng research na nabasa about protein intake and specifically if there's any benefit in terms of strength and muscle gains on those who have a high protein intake, moderate and low. All of the studies that I've read states that people who has a high protein intake does not have any significant advantage in terms of strength and muscle gains over others.
I've done this on myself especially when I acquired gout I had to reduce my protein intake but I didn't notice any difference on strength levels and gainzzz. As a matter of fact I'm more stronger (based on my own standards) compared before when I use to have a high protein intake.
You can read a lot studies on pubmed.
I also agree with Mike. Hinde naman lahat ng nababasa eh kailangan mo muna subukan para masabi mo nga na totoo o nag work. AGAIN, there's what we call as an ABSOLUTE SCIENTIFIC TRUTH na kahit hinde mo man subukan sa katawan mo eh sigurado ang siyensya na yun at yun ang magiging resulta.
minsan kasi ayan na sagot isesearch pa, simple lang ang fitness world 1+1 lang yan hindi ganun kahirap mag paganda ng katawan o magpalakas, pwera syempe kung sasali ka ng competition yun masasabi ko complicated, pero kung mala papa abs lang gusto nyo katawan eh displina lang kailangan 6-8 months kuha nyo na agad yan simple lang, wag nyo gawin komplikado.
Ang dami ko ng research na nabasa about protein intake and specifically if there's any benefit in terms of strength and muscle gains on those who have a high protein intake, moderate and low. All of the studies that I've read states that people who has a high protein intake does not have any significant advantage in terms of strength and muscle gains over others.
I've done this on myself especially when I acquired gout I had to reduce my protein intake but I didn't notice any difference on strength levels and gainzzz. As a matter of fact I'm more stronger (based on my own standards) compared before when I use to have a high protein intake.
You can read a lot studies on pubmed.
I also agree with Mike. Hinde naman lahat ng nababasa eh kailangan mo muna subukan para masabi mo nga na totoo o nag work. AGAIN, there's what we call as an ABSOLUTE SCIENTIFIC TRUTH na kahit hinde mo man subukan sa katawan mo eh sigurado ang siyensya na yun at yun ang magiging resulta.
minsan kasi ayan na sagot isesearch pa, simple lang ang fitness world 1+1 lang yan hindi ganun kahirap mag paganda ng katawan o magpalakas, pwera syempe kung sasali ka ng competition yun masasabi ko complicated, pero kung mala papa abs lang gusto nyo katawan eh displina lang kailangan 6-8 months kuha nyo na agad yan simple lang, wag nyo gawin komplikado.
tama tama agree. meron kasi ibang tao hard gainer or hard looser eh. very good insight sir!
Ako naniniwala ako sa lahat ng tao ay naguumpisa sa pagiging naniniguro o pwedeng kinukumplikado dahil may kanya kanya po tayong rason. Kung ang mga tao dito eh medyo complicated na ang setup, paano po pala sa ibang bansa? Dba po mas malala mga tao dun? Konting may nabasa einstein na agad?
Syempre po, sa estado po ng bansa natin mas mainam po sa tingin ko na nakakasiguro po tayo sa pinasok po natin di lamang po sa pag eehersisyo pati na irn po sa gastusin ng pagkain at mga gamot na pwedeng makatulong.
Wala naman po masamang mag experimento yung isang individual ang mahalaga po eh nasabihan na po ng mga nagtuturo dito at nasa individual na po kung ano po ang susundin nya kung ang gusto nya o yung naituro sa kanya.
enjoy na lang natin, meron naman siguro tayong goal na isa, eto yung maging healthy tayo lahat, maraming matalino, madunong sa pinasok nating sports, kaya goodluck sa atin, sanay maging successful lahat tayo!
minsan kasi ayan na sagot isesearch pa, simple lang ang fitness world 1+1 lang yan hindi ganun kahirap mag paganda ng katawan o magpalakas, pwera syempe kung sasali ka ng competition yun masasabi ko complicated, pero kung mala papa abs lang gusto nyo katawan eh displina lang kailangan 6-8 months kuha nyo na agad yan simple lang, wag nyo gawin komplikado.
tama tama agree. meron kasi ibang tao hard gainer or hard looser eh. very good insight sir!
very good insight ba brad?? sige brad insight ba kamo? ok.
Ang dami ko ng research na nabasa about protein intake and specifically if there's any benefit in terms of strength and muscle gains on those who have a high protein intake, moderate and low. All of the studies that I've read states that people who has a high protein intake does not have any significant advantage in terms of strength and muscle gains over others.
I've done this on myself especially when I acquired gout I had to reduce my protein intake but I didn't notice any difference on strength levels and gainzzz. As a matter of fact I'm more stronger (based on my own standards) compared before when I use to have a high protein intake.
minsan kasi ayan na sagot isesearch pa, simple lang ang fitness world 1+1 lang yan hindi ganun kahirap mag paganda ng katawan o magpalakas, pwera syempe kung sasali ka ng competition yun masasabi ko complicated, pero kung mala papa abs lang gusto nyo katawan eh displina lang kailangan 6-8 months kuha nyo na agad yan simple lang, wag nyo gawin komplikado.
nadale mo bossing rot....... gusto ko rin sanang maging papable yong 8 packs hahaha........
malapit dun sa value ng scientific study reference ng Eat Stop Eat, 0.7 grams per pound of lean body mass
thanks, sir
High protein intake won't dictate how big or strong you will be. Marketing ploy lang ito ng mga supplement companies. So di na da dapat pagtalunan o mag compare pa ng protein intake natin lalo na at recreational peeps lang naman tayo dito. If we were athletes then protein intake would matter to some extent.
So being too anal about our protein intake is such a waste of time and bandwidth. Dami jan masyadong pre occupied sa kung ano anong supps eh lampa pa rin naman until now.
How Much Protein can the Body Absorb in One Sitting?
by Mark McManus on August 8, 2011
Many people have a real FEAR of overeating protein in a single meal because they’ve been led to believe that the body can only use so much in a single sitting.
This is a “truth” that’s been floating around for FOREVER.
But is it actually true?
How much protein can the body absorb in one meal?
The usual recommendation is 25-30g or thereabouts. Any more and your body won’t use it for muscle building purposes and you’ve wasted your time (and money).
It’s a question that comes up now and again on the forum and on facebook, so I’ll address it now.
How Much Protein Can The Body Absorb In 1 Sitting?
You DON’T need to worry about overconsuming protein in a single meal. Your body can and WILL use it.
Before I sat down to draft this article I had a big (and I mean BIG) steak. That bad boy will probably give me 60g of protein, if not a little more. And my body will use it all.
If the myth were to be believed, my body would only use a maximum of 30g of that protein, and another 30g would be totally wasted.
But since protein from a whole food source digests pretty slowly, I’ll still be getting the benefit from that steak many hours from now. An educated guess for the rate for absorption here would be 4-5g per hour for the steak. However, couple it with the fibrous veggies and cheese I had with it and we’re probably talking around just 3-4g of protein per hour.
A whey protein shake on an empty stomach will deliver your protein much faster at about 10g per hour.
Either way you slice it, the idea that you’ll turn catabolic if you don’t eat 30g of protein every 3 hrs is just not true. You will still be in an anabolic environment i.e. amino acids will still be being released and shuttled to your muscles.
However, you will still need energy in general to support the anabolic process, so I’m not advocating you eat all your daily food in one or 2 servings.
There are a number of factors that will affect the rate of absorption:
Type of protein e.g. whey isolate or a steak?
The last time you ate – are you having it on an empty stomach?
What are you eating it with? On its own or with fat and carbs?
The fiber content of the whole meal – more fiber equals slower absoption
But interestingly even the fastest method, whey alone in water on an empty stomach, still takes hours to be fully digested an utilized. So if you took 50g instead of 30g, yes you will still use it.
But you certainly shouldn’t be getting a lot of your protein from a liquid source. Get your protein from food with 1 or 2 shakes max throughout the day, 1 being immediately after your workout.
So what’s the take home message here? The research on this isn’t 100% crystal clear as there are a number of variables to be taken into account: Trainee age, training intensity, total amount of protein given per day, type of protein administered, and so on.
What is clear is that eating say 4 times per day is going to be at least as effective as 6. There’s nothing wrong with eating 6 smaller meals per day either; if that suits you, go for it. But if it’s burdensome, drop it and go to a 4-meal frequency.
If that has you eating 50g of protein per meal, you’re doing just fine . Don’t sweat it.
I’m not confident enough to recommend a lower frequency than that just yet. As more research is done on this, we’ll more likely have a clearer picture.
Eat Big Steaks & Enjoy!
-Hindi ko alam kung totoo pero mukhang okay ang explanations....:jd:
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For me, using IF LG okay naman, di ko talaga kaya kumain ng 5-6 meals a day parang dun na lang iikot buhay ko at since breakfast skipper ako LG na napili ko.
Tama si sir allen, dipende sa iba't ibang tao ang approach ng mga ganito.. Ako kung ano lang meron ngayon na ulam basta mataas protina go kung mababa okay lang din, kainin na lang
Sa ngayon pahinga ako sa mga pagkain ko, tamang maintenance muna at kahit di maabot ang 1BW=1g protein.. Masakit tyan ko hanggang ngayon heheh. Baka nasobrahan kasi ako. Purga mode!
*i train fasted sometimes at wowowwheels ang result over nakakain after 2-3 hrs na kumain, pero minsan lang since schedule ko eh mahirap*
http://mennohenselmans.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/
EDIT: Sorry if this is a duplicate post. Mods please decide if you want to delete this.
^^ napost na din yan dito sir. I tried it actually.sir pacoy, as requested, gumawa na ako ng thread hehe
I've done this on myself especially when I acquired gout I had to reduce my protein intake but I didn't notice any difference on strength levels and gainzzz. As a matter of fact I'm more stronger (based on my own standards) compared before when I use to have a high protein intake.
You can read a lot studies on pubmed.
I also agree with Mike. Hinde naman lahat ng nababasa eh kailangan mo muna subukan para masabi mo nga na totoo o nag work. AGAIN, there's what we call as an ABSOLUTE SCIENTIFIC TRUTH na kahit hinde mo man subukan sa katawan mo eh sigurado ang siyensya na yun at yun ang magiging resulta.
This!
tama tama agree. meron kasi ibang tao hard gainer or hard looser eh.
Syempre po, sa estado po ng bansa natin mas mainam po sa tingin ko na nakakasiguro po tayo sa pinasok po natin di lamang po sa pag eehersisyo pati na irn po sa gastusin ng pagkain at mga gamot na pwedeng makatulong.
Wala naman po masamang mag experimento yung isang individual ang mahalaga po eh nasabihan na po ng mga nagtuturo dito at nasa individual na po kung ano po ang susundin nya kung ang gusto nya o yung naituro sa kanya.
very good insight ba brad?? sige brad insight ba kamo? ok.
Sir,
ano pong protein ratio ang ginagamit mo ?
1g per every pound of lean body mass ?
malapit dun sa value ng scientific study reference ng Eat Stop Eat, 0.7 grams per pound of lean body mass
thanks, sir
nadale mo bossing rot....... gusto ko rin sanang maging papable yong 8 packs hahaha........
High protein intake won't dictate how big or strong you will be. Marketing ploy lang ito ng mga supplement companies. So di na da dapat pagtalunan o mag compare pa ng protein intake natin lalo na at recreational peeps lang naman tayo dito. If we were athletes then protein intake would matter to some extent.
So being too anal about our protein intake is such a waste of time and bandwidth. Dami jan masyadong pre occupied sa kung ano anong supps eh lampa pa rin naman until now.
+1000
by Mark McManus on August 8, 2011
Many people have a real FEAR of overeating protein in a single meal because they’ve been led to believe that the body can only use so much in a single sitting.
This is a “truth” that’s been floating around for FOREVER.
But is it actually true?
How much protein can the body absorb in one meal?
The usual recommendation is 25-30g or thereabouts. Any more and your body won’t use it for muscle building purposes and you’ve wasted your time (and money).
It’s a question that comes up now and again on the forum and on facebook, so I’ll address it now.
How Much Protein Can The Body Absorb In 1 Sitting?
You DON’T need to worry about overconsuming protein in a single meal. Your body can and WILL use it.
Before I sat down to draft this article I had a big (and I mean BIG) steak. That bad boy will probably give me 60g of protein, if not a little more. And my body will use it all.
If the myth were to be believed, my body would only use a maximum of 30g of that protein, and another 30g would be totally wasted.
But since protein from a whole food source digests pretty slowly, I’ll still be getting the benefit from that steak many hours from now. An educated guess for the rate for absorption here would be 4-5g per hour for the steak. However, couple it with the fibrous veggies and cheese I had with it and we’re probably talking around just 3-4g of protein per hour.
A whey protein shake on an empty stomach will deliver your protein much faster at about 10g per hour.
Either way you slice it, the idea that you’ll turn catabolic if you don’t eat 30g of protein every 3 hrs is just not true. You will still be in an anabolic environment i.e. amino acids will still be being released and shuttled to your muscles.
However, you will still need energy in general to support the anabolic process, so I’m not advocating you eat all your daily food in one or 2 servings.
There are a number of factors that will affect the rate of absorption:
Type of protein e.g. whey isolate or a steak?
The last time you ate – are you having it on an empty stomach?
What are you eating it with? On its own or with fat and carbs?
The fiber content of the whole meal – more fiber equals slower absoption
But interestingly even the fastest method, whey alone in water on an empty stomach, still takes hours to be fully digested an utilized. So if you took 50g instead of 30g, yes you will still use it.
But you certainly shouldn’t be getting a lot of your protein from a liquid source. Get your protein from food with 1 or 2 shakes max throughout the day, 1 being immediately after your workout.
So what’s the take home message here? The research on this isn’t 100% crystal clear as there are a number of variables to be taken into account: Trainee age, training intensity, total amount of protein given per day, type of protein administered, and so on.
What is clear is that eating say 4 times per day is going to be at least as effective as 6. There’s nothing wrong with eating 6 smaller meals per day either; if that suits you, go for it. But if it’s burdensome, drop it and go to a 4-meal frequency.
If that has you eating 50g of protein per meal, you’re doing just fine . Don’t sweat it.
I’m not confident enough to recommend a lower frequency than that just yet. As more research is done on this, we’ll more likely have a clearer picture.
Eat Big Steaks & Enjoy!
-Hindi ko alam kung totoo pero mukhang okay ang explanations....:jd: