10,000 Cals for bulking

BANEBANE Posts: 1,927C-Class
Calling the broscience, masters & veteran here need your opinion. :

@Badass_vinch @Core @riddler @nrg500 and others feel free!!!

Ganito, im had a conversation with my officemate, nag bubuhat din sya. so may topic na- naibato. naikwento ko ung napanuod ko sa youtube na bodybuilder ung taiwanese ba un ung nakakatawa sya tapos pinakita nya ung bulking lifestyle nya na kumain sya ng 10k cal a day.

ok, then my officemate goes like:

" pare hindi na maganda un, 10k kakainin mo, sisirain un ung katawan mo, ung mga internal organs mo, tatamaan ung liver mo dun and etc."

meron pa tipong:

"ang katawan natin parang oto yan pag kinargahan mo ng mabigat masisira yan, di nya kaya iprocess ung ganun kadaming pagkain bibigay yan"

Isa pa:

"syempre pag kuain ka ng ganun kadami, syempre iproprocesso ng katawan mo yan, mapapagod ung mga internal organs mo, parang makina yan, mapapagod syempre kelangan mo ioverhaul at palita"

P.s medyo mahirap makipag talo sa makitid ang isip.. what can you say guys? i ended the convo with research kapa wala tayong argument pag wala kang facts. kasi sabi ko wala pang namatay sa bulking na bodybuilder. namamatay sila sa abuse of roids kaya nag fafail ung katawan nila pero hindi sa ganun kadaming pagkain. (not completely sure about this lol)

heres the vid for reference:

Comments

  • emongemong Posts: 254
    Fvck ano yun boss @Ghee ginawa niang cocaine yung creatine nia. HARDCORE MATS!!!:arghh::jd:
  • BANEBANE Posts: 1,927C-Class
    emong wrote:
    Fvck ano yun boss @Ghee ginawa niang cocaine yung creatine nia. HARDCORE MATS!!!:arghh::jd:

    OA tlga yan si yang. Comedy tlga ung iba sarcastic nalang un. hehe
  • emongemong Posts: 254
    Ahh .. kasi makakita ka ng ganyan magtake ng supp. sa gym pota magugulat ka haha. ito Boss @Ghee check mo astig sana my gnito sa pinas Lol
  • rtravino29rtravino29 Posts: 1,549
    naikwento ko ung napanuod ko sa youtube na bodybuilder ung taiwanese ba un ung nakakatawa sya tapos pinakita nya ung bulking lifestyle nya na kumain sya ng 10k cal a day.

    More like 10k cal THAT day.

    also.. tibay nang tyan mo niyan, kung 10k cal ka per day.:P
    pare hindi na maganda un, 10k kakainin mo, sisirain un ung katawan mo, ung mga internal organs mo, tatamaan ung liver mo dun and etc

    anong kinalaman nang liver? though normally na nakakasira sa liver eh coffee ( caffeine ) , alcohol, sugar , food additives etc. wala pa naman akong nababalitaang nasira liver niya sa pagkain let's say nang maraming chicken boobies ( protein ).
    "syempre pag kuain ka ng ganun kadami, syempre iproprocesso ng katawan mo yan, mapapagod ung mga internal organs mo, parang makina yan, mapapagod syempre kelangan mo ioverhaul at palita"

    dito ako natawa,.. MAPAPAGOD ANG INTERNAL ORGANS MO.. deep! haha!
  • badass_vinchbadass_vinch Posts: 4,459A-Class
    10k for bulking? cutting di pwede? ask michael phelps...

    live&dieNATURAL

  • rtravino29rtravino29 Posts: 1,549
    10k for bulking? cutting di pwede? ask michael phelps...

    ang alam ko nga 12k cal per day ( ? ) ata si michael phelps. naalala ko tuloy si furious pete, hehe!
  • BANEBANE Posts: 1,927C-Class
    pero seryoso guys, ung medyo simplified scientific explanation na rationable para mga makikitid ang utak haha kelangan ko manalo sa argumento! hahaha @badass_vinch @rtravino29
  • ainsopaurainsopaur Posts: 47
    10k cal per day depende sa body mass, activity level tska metabolism rate ng katawan kung pra kang si bigshow tpos mataas activity level mo sa isang araw plus yung intensity ng workout mo sa gym kulang pa yang 10k cal.
  • BANEBANE Posts: 1,927C-Class
    yup i get that pero ung reasoning nya na, keso mapapagod daw kaka digest o parang so called makina na naooverload sa pagkaen ung katawan? lol watcha say
  • ainsopaurainsopaur Posts: 47
    di mapapagod yun sa ginawa kc ni Yang hinati nya yung distribution ng 10k cal e kaya para sken tama lng un kung kakainin mo ng isang bagsak yun e gudluck hahaha!
  • riddlerriddler Posts: 1,018B-Class
    Lahat ng sobra masama. But again, you have to take everything into it's proper context.

    For example, as rumored, Michael Phelps eats a ton of food daily to support his training. I think it's a valid reason to go overboard on food. Let's just assume that he trains intensely for around 6-8 hrs daily. Well, that sums up why he needs that much calorie. His energy needs are far more demanding than the typical gym rat. But you also have to realize that you can't just think like you can eat 10,000 calories without proper preparations. Adaptations needs to occur. You have to start eating more gradually. It's still takes the basic concept of Progressive Overloading. Do it without further preparation and adaptation, something is bound to break.
  • BANEBANE Posts: 1,927C-Class
    riddler wrote:
    Lahat ng sobra masama. But again, you have to take everything into it's proper context.

    For example, as rumored, Michael Phelps eats a ton of food daily to support his training. I think it's a valid reason to go overboard on food. Let's just assume that he trains intensely for around 6-8 hrs daily. Well, that sums up why he needs that much calorie. His energy needs are far more demanding than the typical gym rat. But you also have to realize that you can't just think like you can eat 10,000 calories without proper preparations. Adaptations needs to occur. You have to start eating more gradually. It's still takes the basic concept of Progressive Overloading. Do it without further preparation and adaptation, something is bound to break.

    un!!! e sir, ung sinasabe nya na may epekto daw ung "sobra/abnormal" na pagkain(bulking w/10k) sa internal organs kasi daw sa daming pagkain na pinoprocesso na kesho tatama sa kidney, lungs intestine, and other internal organs KASI DAW SOBRANG DAMI DAW MA WEWEARAND TEAR DAW ung katawan na parang oto na pag kinargahan mo ng kinargahan ng mabigat masisira ung mga parts kasi daw tumatakbo ng mabigat? lol
  • riddlerriddler Posts: 1,018B-Class
    Actually, may point siya doon. Mali nga lang yung analogy na binigay. Hehe!

    Think of it this way. Let's take for example, myself, I'm a small guy with a very frail bone structure. Do you think it's possible for me to weigh over 200lbs ripped? Or to squat/deadlift over 600lbs? In my case, I don't think so. Again, take the whole context, not just a small detail.

    Now, with that in mind, let's just say I tried to attempt a 600lbs squat, what will happen to me? Take that concept, put it into that 10,000 calorie daily intake. Makes sense? :)
  • BANEBANE Posts: 1,927C-Class
    sir @riddler exactly what i am trying to say. un ung sport tlga ng bodybuilding. u have to eat to grow. u have to lift geavy ass weights to grow. kaso d ara nya macompregend na scientifical ung approach ng bulking at hibdi naman basta basta mag tatax un sa karatawan. katulad ng explanation mo sa prog overload. aamw concept. hirap kasi pag self rightius ung kausap mo. ang pinupunto nya kasi deadly at nakakamatay un. internal failures and what not. sabi ko may nabasa kaba or atricles or reference na may namatay na bodybuilder dahil sa bulking? sabi nya wala pero d naman namin kilala lahat. oo pero wala pa kasi ako nabalitaan na namatay sa bulking due to organ failure. un ung nilalaban nya ha. take note. ung mga internal organs ung nilalaban nya na nakakamtay. taxing due time.
  • rtravino29rtravino29 Posts: 1,549
    @Ghee sabihin mo na lang sa kanya, magbigay siya nang kahit na isang pangalan na namatay dahil sa bulking. kahit isang pangalan lang. tapos banggitin mo sa kanya diet nang mga to michael phelps, furious pete, frank yang etc.

    nga pala, it doesn't mean naman na nakita natin na 10k calorie per day si phelps eh gagayahin natin yun ha, hehe! depende kase yan sa age, gender at physical activity levels. tsaka I doubt na kukunin niya yung 10k calorie lahat sa whole foods ( isipin mo brah, 3- 4k nga hirap na hirap na tayo kunin sa isang araw diba? ), sa nabasa ko, may iniinum syang special formulated drink na mataas calorie eh.
  • BANEBANE Posts: 1,927C-Class
    Tama ka sir @rtravino29 Yan ung sinabi ko tlga. Sabi ko give be facts, reference news & or articles na may namatay na kahit sinong bodybuilder due to food intake/bulking or we dont have an argument. haha ayun sabi nya mag hahanapo daw sya. syempre ako inunahan ko nag google agad ako. wala ko makita. haha
  • rtravino29rtravino29 Posts: 1,549
    hahahaha! sabihin mo sa kanya, " good luck, gusto mo tulungan kitang maghanap? LOL! " linawin mo bro sa kanya, NAMATAY DAHIL SA BULKING. baka pakita sayo, organ failure nang mga bodybuilder LOL!
  • BANEBANE Posts: 1,927C-Class
    rtravino29 wrote:
    hahahaha! sabihin mo sa kanya, " good luck, gusto mo tulungan kitang maghanap? LOL! " linawin mo bro sa kanya, NAMATAY DAHIL SA BULKING. baka pakita sayo, organ failure nang mga bodybuilder LOL!

    if thats the case IBANG USAPAN NA UN! NATTY OR NOT hohoho cheers
  • Emman1986Emman1986 Posts: 1,819B-Class
    rtravino29 wrote:
    @Ghee sabihin mo na lang sa kanya, magbigay siya nang kahit na isang pangalan na namatay dahil sa bulking. kahit isang pangalan lang. tapos banggitin mo sa kanya diet nang mga to michael phelps, furious pete, frank yang etc.

    nga pala, it doesn't mean naman na nakita natin na 10k calorie per day si phelps eh gagayahin natin yun ha, hehe! depende kase yan sa age, gender at physical activity levels. tsaka I doubt na kukunin niya yung 10k calorie lahat sa whole foods ( isipin mo brah, 3- 4k nga hirap na hirap na tayo kunin sa isang araw diba? ), sa nabasa ko, may iniinum syang special formulated drink na mataas calorie eh.



    energy drink ayon sa aking nabasa ( 1k cal ) kada tunga eh nakaka dalawa daw kada araw
  • Check out furiouspete on youtube, he does this shit regularly LOL. Dude's a competitive eater, sponsored by bodybuilding.com, and is jacked. He's living the fucking dream right there haha.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_MPCCezU5Y

    Anyway, fanboying aside, I think this is more about balancing recovery and nutrition as governed by the law of diminishing returns. Could someone work out enough to warrant 10k calories? Sure. Could you? Highly doubt it. I think there's a point while training where you can eat the most efficient amount to gain as much muscle with little fat. That would give you lean gains, meaning you dont have to cut. Others prefer bulking, which would give you more mass at the expense of fat, thus necessitating cutting. This 10k calories thing pushes that shit to the highest level lol. Would he gain more muscle than someone who's at 5k callories? Yes, but i dont think it's that large an amount, mostly i think it'll just be fat. Why do this tho? Cause it's fun haha. Eating is fucking fun. And of course it might spike your metabolism, but still i dont think that's the point. Anyway some say too much protein is bad for the kidneys, my doctor told me that once. Thing is he's not jacked so i didnt listen to him lol. Anyway, just read this :))

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/death-by-protein-debunking-protein-is-as-bad-as-smoking-study.html
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